Fixes for the iraqi OOB

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Marcello

Perhaps it could carry that much but 4 x 250 is more sensible, as there is question of under what loadout configuration and operational range such 4 x 500 load was possible. If they had to give up the underbelly fuel tanks then it was a non start for most practical applications. Were the outer wing hardpoints rated for 500kg bombs? I vaguely recall this not being the case but I will have to check.

If you want to treat the plane as if it had underbelly fuel tanks, than you're right - outer hardpoints for 6-hardpoint variant could carry 250 kg or so (that would make maximum 2x500 kg and 2x250kg). However, since the aircraft are little effective, they could carry bigger load possible IMHO.

Originally Posted by Marcello

As far as I have read bombs were probably not carried together with Kh-29. The actual load was something like one kh-29, an ECM pod, a drop tank and UB-32 rocket pod used as counterweight of sort.

Official Polish chart allows for a configuration 2x Kh-29 and 4 bombs 250-500 kg or 2 bombs and 2 drop tanks.

Originally Posted by Marcello

Same as above except that the missile in question was used operationally very few times, perhaps just once.

These missiles (Kh-23) were even lighter, than Kh-29. I don't know however what the practice of arranging armament of Su-22 in Iraq looked like. I only write, that these planes were capable of such load (even not a maximum one) and it's a bit waste to send them with only two missiles. Besides, I probably keep in mind photos of Polish Su-22s carrying missiles and rocket launchers or bombs.

Regards,

Michal

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

If you want to treat the plane as if it had underbelly fuel tanks, than you're right - outer hardpoints for 6-hardpoint variant could carry 250 kg or so (that would make maximum 2x500 kg and 2x250kg). However, since the aircraft are little effective, they could carry bigger load possible IMHO.

That's the reasonthey switched to the Su-17. Actually more often than not aircraft of this vintage (Mig-21/Su-7) would go in combat with a couple of UB-16 rocket pods, which were as effective in reality as they are in the game: very little.
Many of the comments I found about the 57mm rockets could not be reported in polite company. Yet they were used for lack of anything better.

Official Polish chart allows for a configuration 2x Kh-29 and 4 bombs 250-500 kg or 2 bombs and 2 drop tanks

Actually iraqi configuration was as follows:



Depiction of Su-22 armed with Kh-28 can be founf here but no mention of initial availability date:
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_208.shtml

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Marcello

Actually iraqi configuration was as follows:

Marcello..... If you have the info PLEASE just provide it and do not make me hunt for it becasue I do not have he time to spare and if you think I can see what it's supposed to be from that illustration, your wrong.

That said it *appears* to indicate ( for game purposes ) one ARM and one UB-32 pod

Don

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by DRG

That said it *appears* to indicate ( for game purposes ) one ARM and one UB-32 pod
Don

Sorry, what the picture shows is the Su-22 configuration when carrying a Kh-29 I was describing earlier: one kh-29, an ECM pod, a drop tank and a UB-32 rocket pod used as counterweight.

The typical configuration when carrying a Kh-28 was a single Kh-28 missile and a targeting pod as depicted in the following drawing.

[Pibwl]

Sorry for confusing weapon slots of Kh-28.

Originally Posted by Marcello

what the picture shows is the Su-22 configuration when carrying a Kh-29 I was describing earlier: one kh-29, an ECM pod, a drop tank and a UB-32 rocket pod used as counterweight.

Actually, two Kh-29 could be carried in such configuration (one would cause problems with counterweight anyway), and this is what unit #152 has now. Four bombs could be additionally carried provided there are no ECM nor drop tanks. With such assumptions, there should be no additional weapons indeed.

Michal