Hungarian OOB 5.5

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Similarly with 055 OT-64A - with this difference, that I can't even find a Hungarian reference of its service. It isn't on the quoted Wikipedia page with Hungarian equipment. Czech book generally mentions "Hungary" among export customers, without any details or a number. Jane's Armour And Artillery 2004/2005 doesn't list OT-64 under Hungary that year. This Hungarian page doesn't mention Hungarian service, nor among export users: https://elfnet.hu/haditechnika/pancelautok/ot64.php.

https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/Poland/OT-64-Skot.php

Hungary: Perhaps 100 in service, dating back from the Warsaw pact.

[DRG]

Did you happen to notice that these BTR-60 units are only active in the OOB for 6 and 8 years and while there is a good chance anyone commenting on the question either really knows what they are talking about or only thinks that they do

AND I could also point out they have been in the OOB for over TWO DECADES without comment

For all anyone knows there could have been a handful of them in the country that the original OOB designer found info in a book that they were there but a quarter century later that minor info on a minor unit that will not make or break the rare game played by someone using Hungary between the years 1963 and 1973

I will look at this... I may just remove them or renationalze them or make them a new Unitclass or just make them a 3 radio code so the AI does not use them

[DRG]

https://wargame.fandom.com/wiki/OT-64A

I would never add OR remove based on info from only one source but we have had it in our games OOB I think a quarter century and lo and behold this source says 055 OT-64A

he OT-64 is currently operated by Algeria, Angola, Czechia, Egypt, Hungary, India, Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, Poland, Serbia, Slovakia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Uganda and Uruguay.

[DRG]

I am done with this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTR-60

BTR-60 APCs were employed widely both by the Soviet Army and by more than 30 export customers.[15] Operators of the BTR-60 have included Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bhutan, Botswana, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Congo, Cuba, Djibouti, East Germany, Ethiopia, Finland, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Hungary, India, Iran, Iraq, Laos, Libya, Mali, Mongolia, Mexico, Morocco, Mozambique, Nicaragua, North Korea, Romania, Soviet Union, Syria, Uganda, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Yemen, and Zambia, as well as many of the successor states of the Soviet Union.[27] The most widely spread model is the BTR-60PB.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

BTR-60 APCs were employed widely both by the Soviet Army and by more than 30 export customers.[15] Operators of the BTR-60 have included Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bhutan, Botswana, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Congo, Cuba, Djibouti, East Germany, Ethiopia, Finland, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Hungary, India....

They're right. I already said, that Hungarian Wikipedia on BTR-60 lists Hungary among users, without any details.
However, it evidently concerns command and radio versions, as users of the quoted Hungarian modelling forum came to a conclusion.
However, with its limited timespan, it could be left, just in case. I only wondered, why they didn't used them until 1989...

As for OT-64 - anyway, there were none by 2004 anymore according to Jane's.

[Pibwl]

SP artillery

39 2S1 Gvozdika - according to https://web.archive.org/web/20070222...giment_070219/, adopted in late 1970s, first shown in public in 1980 (now 1/81). Needs change in formations: 281, 282. The page confirmed withdrawal in 2004 (BTW, in Hungarian language it was apparently known as 2Sz1 Gvozgyika, or 2SZ1)

Hungary also used 2S3 Akatsia (known as 2Sz3M Akacia) from early 1980s (first shown in 1985) until 1993.

43 ZSU-23-4 Szylka - Hungarian Wikipedia on army equipment https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Magy...9g_fegyverzete already in 2011 revision listed it as out of service, leaving Hungary without SPAA gun, until an arrival of Skyranger in an unpredicted future.

The same with 165, 169 BM-21 Grad Pl - marked as out of service in 2016 revision, leaving Hungary without rocket artillery.

I think that's all. Thank you for your time.

Edit:
One more thing about APCs occured to me. It seems, that PSzH with its 7-men carry capacity, was the most typical (and possibly only) Hungarian APC in 1970s and 1980s, made in 2600 units of all variants, not a scout vehicle... Páncélozott szállító harcjármű even translates as "armoured personnel carrier". I have no idea, how many men were in infantry squads - but I'm afraid, that PSzH should be an ordinary APC (wheeled), and the squad should be 7

"2,600 of the vehicle were produced between 1970 and 1979. The first mechanized rifle brigades were equipped with this vehicle, which was only withdrawn from service towards the end of the 1990s" https://web.archive.org/web/20130609...ncelosok/pszh/

[Pibwl]

Small tweak: 021 Leopard 2A7HU - first one was officially commissioned in 12/23, and by the end of 2023 five were expected in service, so more realistic date is 1/24 (now 10/23) (according to Polish military magazine from 12/23)

[Pibwl]

I've found in 2011 article, that Hungary used GAZ-66 Lama truck launchers for Igla SAMs. Probably with an advent of unit 426 Igla in 1986 until 12/2011 (btw: according to the article, they fired last missiles in 4/11)
The unit might be copied from 046 Mistral Unimog, a generic photo of GAZ-66 might be 32174. There are two missiles and unknown number of reloads.
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.ph...gelypalank.jpg

[DRG]

On the list.
MAYBE I might get everything done that is piling up in it
MAYBE