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Old February 25th, 2012, 10:06 PM

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Default Re: Polish OOB 5.5

Closing to an end:

404 BRM-1D - correct Polish designation of Russian BRM-1K is BWR-1D. Ammunition for gun should probably be redistributed (some 10 HE, 10 Heat). It has 6-tube SD (now:0). Vision and RF should be higher - it's equipped with GSR and laser RF. Crew is 4 (2) and carry is only 2 (112) - could be 3+3 to carry a scout section. Radio should be 91 (less popular, than BRDM-2). Better icon is 7460 (BMP-2) - it has similar larger two-men turret (winter 7465, desert 1707). [source: nTW 1/2001, Tekhnika i Vooruzhenie 4/2001]

There should be also added BWR-1S Svatava (Czech BPzV) - same data, but icon of ordinary BMP-1 (3474 camo, 1703 winter, 1698 desert). Ammo: 76 (probably half HE and Heat), added #145 Malutka with 7 missiles. Crew/carry 3+3. Used from some 1991.


405, 406 MT-LB/120, MT-LB Vasilek - there weren't any SP-mortars used by the Polish Army so far.

410 BTR-40 - apparently this one should be class Scout vehicle (class Gun APC - identical unit is #51). Should be used until some 1965 (now: 12/60) (especially, that BRDM-1 should be available from 1963 and it would make a gap)

411 BRDM-1 (scout veh.) - only armament should be SGMB AAMG (as unit #52). Better name is just BRDM. Used from 1963 (now: 1/61) [Poligon 3/2010] until no later, than some 1985 (12/90)

412 BRDM-2 (Scout veh.) - used from 1966 until now - I guess until 1/115 at least (now: 1/67-12/105) [Poligon 3/2010].
Soviet BRDM-2s in that period (#698, 699) have vision 15 (this one 20). In fact, it has no night gun sights at all [confirmed in Raport 9/2010], maybe only driver's IR vision.


414 IS-IIm1944 - correct name is just IS-2 (IS-2m eventually). "1944" wasn't official and is redundant. Ammo was 14/14, according to J. Kajetanowicz's book (now 8/20).

417 TOPAS-2AP - reportedly used until 1994 (12/93). Correct pic 29085

Formation #85 needs change of last date according to this unit - and first date: 1963 according to my suggestions on unit 054 OT-62 (TOPAS). I've suggested before to create naval infantry formations in 1963-1991, with Heavy amphibs.

703 Marynarka TOPAS - this unit is redundant - same as unit above, with different icon. Name makes no sense (Navy Topas) - TOPAS APC weren't used by the Navy, and all were used by landing units.

420 T-70m - there was no "m" used in practice (theoretically it was T-70M version, introduced soon after production's beginning). Withdrawn from the Polish Army in 5/49 (now:12/55) [Poligon 3/2010] (needs change in formation 66 as last unit)

421 T-60 - only 3 vehicles used for training - and not clear, if used after 1945. To be removed IMO.

423 RBS-23 SAM - fiction. To be removed.

425 Lisunov Li-2 - considering, that first Polish paratroop units were created in 1959, it's better to replace it with more modern Il-14T, used for this purpose in Poland (540 from Russian OOB, icon 4578) - until mid-70s. Polish picture is 29082.

426 Antonov An-26 - introduced in 1972 (now 1/68). It should be just An-26 (designer names weren't officially used as a part of name of Soviet aircraft)

427 Antonov An-26 - withdrawn in 1/109 (12/120)

430 BTR-40u - used from 1/55 until no later, than mid-70s (1/53-12/99). Icon should be open 2927

432 GAZ Jeep - correct pic is 41063 (UAZ in fact)

433, 434 UAZ-69 Trzmiel - first date 1/60 is impossible, since it was commissioned in the USSR in 8/60 (http://vadimvswar.narod.ru/ALL_OUT/T...R/PturR003.htm ). Realistic earliest date will be some 1962. Same date for #030 BRDM-1 Trzmiel and 082 formation.

Besides, it should be GAZ-69 Trzmiel, and it was used apparently in small numbers (radio 91 - basic was BRDM-mounted) - no later, than until mid-70s. One unit should be enough. It should have no armour at all.

439 Rys-Azalia AOP - Ryś wasn't introduced so far. Besides, Azalia wouldn't be FO vehicle, but artillery command vehicle.

440 BWP-2 - better icon is camouflaged 1712 (only before sale they were repainted green) [Poligon 6/2010]. Withdrawn already in mid-94 (12/94). It should have SD 2 (1) - 6 tubes.


445 Ski Sniper - more proper pic is 41019 (Mosin), instead of some rifle unused in Poland.

448 Lowcza-3 AOP - this isn't FO vehicle, but AA unit's command vehicle.

450 Ski Scouts - RPG-2 wasn't used that early - should be AT grenades.

451 Ski Scouts - P-27 wasn't widely used - better to be replaced with 015 RPG-2.

452 Ski Scouts - definitely main weapon would be general issue 008 AK rifle, not SMG, especially PM63.

453 Ski Scouts - wz.89 Onyks wasn't adopted. Should be just 029 AKM(S) rifle.

455 SKOT-1A AOP - proper designation of artillery command vehicle is SKOT R-2AM - but it's used only from 1986 [Polish Military Equipment] (now: 1/65). Not clear, if it's AOP vehicle though.

465 Ski Riflemen - Carl Gustaf is very rare weapon, not used in sections. Should be just RPG-7 or its variant.

473 Para Engineers - Onyks SMG should be replaced with Tantal rifle 007.

477, 478 PKMS MMG [2] - correct pic is 45377. Later one should be used until 120 (won't be wiped out)

479 UKM MMG [2] - pic as above

482 Spike ATGM (para) - crew is 3 (now: 2) (it's sure needed to carry launcher and 4 missiles)

483, 484 Factoria ATGM (para) - Faktoria was never used in Poland. To be removed.

485 B10 Recoilless (para-RR) - used only in around 1955-1979 (see unit #68) (now 55-99). Secondary weapon should be 008 AKM or 006 SMG. Standard crew was 3 men (like unit 68)

Date change might interfere with form. 267 Para Co [A] - but the paras were used in Poland from 1959 anyway.

486 SPG9 Recoilless (para-RR) - apparently still in service in 2009 - possibly until 120 (12/94). According to some sources, used from 1968 (now 71). Standard crew is 4 men (now 2) - I don't think that the paras would differ.

Standard SPG-9 had vision=0 - there was version SPG-9N with IR sights.

487 C Gustaf RCL - used by airmobile forces only from 2001 (comment for unit 223)

488, 489 Malutka-2 ATGM - definitely not used.

490 Para Fagot ATGM - rifle should be changed to 007 wz.88 - wz.89 Onyks wasn't adopted.

495-499 Abn Observer - maybe a better name would be Para Observer? I had to guess what is "Abn".

495 Abn Observer (50-59) - first Polish paratroop units were created in 1959 only. Anyway, it should have 006 SMG instead of bolt rifle.

496 Abn Observer (60-89) - if the unit above is removed, it should be available from 6/59 (creation of Polish paratroop division) or 1/60.
Possibly better armament for a para fwd observer is 234 SMG

497 Abn Observer - wz.89 Onyks should be changed to 007 wz.88

Regards
Michal
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