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Torgon · #1 April 4th, 2012, 06:50 PM

Ghaa!

My internet connection decided to take a break just as I was trying to submit prior to the deadline.

If you guys have a major objection we can just continue on, but I really don't want to have a stale turn at the point. I haven't looked at the new turn file yet. Would you mind if we just rolled back to 60 and resubmit quickly. I have the 2h ready to upload.

mattyburn7 · #2 April 4th, 2012, 09:07 PM

I feel your pain and won't complain regardless of what we do. My only concern is I've seen other posts claim that rollbacks can really screw the game up. I haven't seen it and I don't want any stales. I would just hate to see the game screwed up. I'm in a distant 3rd anyway so whatever the 2 of you decide (sorry Pythium

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Nightfall · #3 April 5th, 2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Torgon

Ghaa!

My internet connection decided to take a break just as I was trying to submit prior to the deadline.

If you guys have a major objection we can just continue on, but I really don't want to have a stale turn at the point. I haven't looked at the new turn file yet. Would you mind if we just rolled back to 60 and resubmit quickly. I have the 2h ready to upload.

I replied to your PM before seeing that you had put it in the game thread as well.

I'm happy for you to copy and paste what I said into here so the others can see, I would myself but I didn't save it...

Nightfall · #4 April 5th, 2012, 08:57 AM

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While I would be willing to trust you as far as the turn file is concerned, and I wont say no outright, there are 2 real problems with this.

The biggest wins I had this turn were the results of my 2 teleport ambushes, which you couldn't have done anything about with your orders anyway. I'll be _really_ pissed if the results of either of these are different after a rollback.

Secondly, rollbacks have a very high chance of causing game corruption, if you do rollback and it causes _any_ corruption issues, I expect you to suck it up and forfeit the game.

While I understand how you feel about staling at this stage, in general the vets all say that it's better to just deal with it and play on.

To address these

1. So I can't guarantee that the results of your two ambushes wont be different. Obviously there are only a limited number of places in which you could ambush me where it would make a dramatic difference. I'm obviously going to do something in those locations.

2. Honestly don't see why this would be an issue. The game will be over anyway if it corrupts. Not sure why it matters who forfeits.

So if you're willing to accept #1 then we can keep going. If you're not then they seem like fairly hollow victories anyway.

I've included the private replies, as there is no reason I addressed you privately other than that was the first message I saw.

2 is an issue because you are potentially trashing the game with what is, frankly, a pretty selfish request, that puts me in an awkward position.

I'm sorry, but I simply can't condone a rollback for any reason other than for a serious game bug; as I would never ask for or expect one. I am a little confused that you don't seem to get that it's a big deal.

As a note, the staled turn wasn't entirely good for me, the fact that several of your troops didn't move when I expected them to has caused me a few problems too.

mattyburn7 · #5 April 5th, 2012, 09:28 AM

Fortunately I have not been in a position yet where I've been impacted like this. But everytime I have seen it, the players are genuinely sad for what happened and wish it could be undone, but the consensus, particularly because of the corruption problem, is to move forward as-is.

I try to look at it this way. In war sometimes bad luck and good luck and bizarre things happens. This falls into that category. I hope I can look at it the same way if/when it happens to me.

At the end of the day its a game. So I'm going to be fine either way, but the precedent from other games has been to just keep going.

Cheers.

Flop · #6 April 5th, 2012, 04:42 PM

I really wish someone would just knock me out of this game already.

But since no one has, I'm just going to chime in and say that I've also heard horror stories of roll backs ruining games. I have no idea how rare this is, and roll backs do still occur in many games. Anyway, in my opinion Torgon should be granted a roll back, if he feels it's important enough. Generally, though, I don't think a single staled turn should warrant a roll back. If you do decide to do a roll back, it's important, that Torgon does his turn in a gentlemanly fashion, not taking into account any moves the other players have made (obviously).

Also, as Nightbringer said, if the roll back does screw up the game, it should probably count as a victory for him (or Matty, I don't know who's leading).

That's just my two cents. Ultimately, it's up to you guys to decide.

Nightfall · #7 April 5th, 2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Flop

I have no idea how rare this is, and roll backs do still occur in many games.

I've been in 2 games before that attempted rollbacks, in both cases the game was abandoned within 3 turns of the rollback. Both had issues introduced by the rollback; although in the first case the main problem was the original bug.

Nightfall · #8 April 10th, 2012, 09:15 PM

Since Torgon has 3 stales now, but has had no problems posting and admining another game; I'm pretty much assuming that he has spat the dummy.

What do you guys want to do?