Finnish OOB 6.0

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Investigating, skip this Don

Has anyone any idea whether FDF is using XA-185 + TOW combination? I found lots of forum posts where people have seen Bv 206 + TOW or NA-140 + TOW combinations and even used them, but for XA-185 + TOW I only remember having heard about it in the FDF and coming up with some pictures from the internet:
http://www.militaryimages.net/photop...php/photo/8381

Wikipedia lists "some equipped with TOW turrets" but... no references.

Just prototypes? Are they disassembled already?

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BMP-1's were modernized in 1991-1994. They were equipped with the same Wegmann smoke grenade launchers as T-55MS got back in 1989. These smoke screens were used in BMP-1 and BMP-1Ps models.

Modify units 028, 029:
EW 3 (1 VIRSS shot)

http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php?showtopic=17606
Pictures showing clearly the FDF insignia and smoke grenade launchers, right from the barrel.
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/c...MP-1_FI_01.jpg
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/c...MP-1_FI_02.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-1_variants#Finland


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Finally, by accident, I was able to find a picture of a PaSi XA-203 with an ATGM.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1...iaxa2030uy.jpg

Copy unit 051 over 052 or 053 (no proof of XA-203+ ever existing)

Add weapon 165 PstOhj 83M or 169 Spike MR with appropriate number of shots (4?). Same availability dates etc.

As I served before 2002 when XA-203 was not available but I heard about XA-185 being able to host an ATGM I believe there should also be a XA-185 variant - but like I said, it's only hearsay and projection from this one picture of XA-203 with an ATGM.

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Sorry, should've checked them all at the same time.

BMP-2 also received the 72mm smoke grenade launchers, 6 units in total to be launched in a 3+3 combination.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nish_BMP-2.jpg

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Units 031, 032
EW to 4 (2 VIRSS shots)

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Supercedes XA-360 changes in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...8&postcount=13

I have no idea how this escaped my eye. Incorrect weapon, unit 054 Patria AMV.
Should be: .50 cal MG M2HB QCB
Additionally, copy the unit to replace the IFV (Which was rejected after prototype tests) with an APC equipped with an AGL. Add stabiliser and bump up range finder.

My estimates:
Stabiliser value: 5 (As with IFV had)
Range finder: 22
Vision: 40
Fire Control: 30?

Fire control used to be 5, the same as I proposed for XA-203. IFV version had a FC value of 30, but I have no idea where it comes from. XA-203 has a different (lighter) type of turret, OWS.

http://tinyurl.com/bl77yrp

"Browning M2 raskaan konekiväärin uudelleen käyttöönotto Suomessa tapahtui XA-360 ajoneuvoihin hankittujen kauko-ohjattujen asetornien myötä. Suomen käyttämät RWS-tornit (Remote Weapon Station) ovat Norjassa valmistettu. Tornin aseistuksena on joko 12,7 RSKK 2005 tai 40 KRKK 2005. Kauko-ohjatut tornit on varustettu päivä- ja lämpökameralla, laseretäisyysmittarilla ja vakaimilla. Tietokone laskee ampuma-arvot etäisyyden mukaan ja ampujan tehtäväksi jää vain suunnata tähtäin risti maaliin ja laukaista ase."

"Re-introduction of Browning M2 heavy machine gun in Finland happened with the remote controlled turrets in XA-360 vehicles. The RWS turrets are manufactured in Norway. The weapon in the turret is either 12,7 HMG 2005 or 40 AGL 2005. Remote controlled turrets are equipped with daylight and thermal imaging cameras, laser range finders and stabilisers. A computer calculates the parameters by distance and the only mission for the operator is to direct the crosshair to the target and fire the gun."

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Units 335,336,348: XA-361 AMOS

Availability start: 6/2013

http://www.patriahagglunds.fi/
"Patria Hägglunds has delivered the first AMOS FIN series mortar systems and the training systems to FDF. The Conscript training with the AMOS systems commences in Spring 2013. The remaining series will be delivered by the end of 2013."

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Finally, a small wish:

As troops in other OOBs have been combed thru and movement points checked, I believe Finnish Sissi (Reconnaissance & saboteur) troops should be changed as well. Wikipedia has actually a good article on Sissi troops http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sissi_%...ht_infantry%29 and I believe these units should be reflected better in the game.

Quoting the article: "Sissi troops are un-motorized and are not equipped with heavy weapons or equipment, their uniforms and weaponry are almost identical with regular infantry issue. Distinctive personal equipment used by Sissi are Savotta "Para Jäger" backpacks used because of extended hikes,[5] camouflage paint and personal camouflage nets. Sissi units have fewer crew served weapons and more sniper rifles than regular infantry."

My main grudges are the movement points and AT weaponry. Sissi troops are lightly equipped (they don't even use a helmet) and try to be faster and harder to spot than their targets.
http://www.puolustusvoimat.fi/wcm/ef...d6bbb81d585751

1. Movement points: bump up that one point from 6 to 7 just like Swedish reconnaissance patrol has.

2. Drop that Apilas. It's big, heavy and cumbersome, I doubt anyone is carrying that. I don't believe AAMG is either used in Sissi troops. Maybe replace it with 66 KES 88 (M72 LAW), 2 / squad.

3. Mines, satchel charges. Claymore mines, off-route mines.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...route_mine.jpg

There's a Finnish military newspaper "Ruotuväki" article, in Finnish: Ghosts in the forest

"Partioon kuuluu kaksi sissiä, alikersantti Simo Rautiainen ja lääkintämies Joeli Pennanen. Aseistuksenaan heillä on rynnäkkökivääreiden lisäksi kevyt kylkimiina ja raskas viuhkapanos. Partio toimii osana ryhmää ja heidän tehtävänsä on tuhota tiellä liikkuvat ajoneuvot."

In this patrol there are two Sissis, corporal Simo Rautiainen and medic Joeli Pennanen. As their weaponry they have in addition to assault rifles an off-route mine and a heavy claymore mine. This patrol is part of the section and their mission is to destroy vehicles using the road nearby.

So pretty please, could you bump the movement to 7, drop that apilas and add mines and satchel charges instead?