Is CM Artillery too destructive?

[AMX]

Originally Posted by rob89

Now let's go to the MLR class, with CM : MLRS, BM-27 Uragan and BM-30 Smerch. Somebody in the thread said that they have an effect, on tanks, similar to that of the 152/155mm cluster munitions. But, in the database, noone of the above mentioned MLRs have an AP Pen : value = zero; so :

These two MRLs use separate weapons for cluster warheads, with weapon class 14 ("Cluster Bomb" - they treat "HE" ammo as bomblets).

Please make sure you didn't test the "standard" version (with class 3 weapon - has normal HE) instead of the "CM" version (with class 14 weapon - "HE" is really cluster, and has higher HE Pen value)

edit: just dropped a bunch of BM-30 on a clump of Abrams, and a bunch of BM-30 CM on another bunch of Abrams - the unitary rockets destroyed some tanks, while the bomblets only immobilised them.
Interesting...

[rob89]

Originally Posted by AMX

These two MRLs use separate weapons for cluster warheads, with weapon class 14 ("Cluster Bomb" - they treat "HE" ammo as bomblets).

Please make sure you didn't test the "standard" version (with class 3 weapon - has normal HE) instead of the "CM" version (with class 14 weapon - "HE" is really cluster, and has higher HE Pen value)

edit: just dropped a bunch of BM-30 on a clump of Abrams, and a bunch of BM-30 CM on another bunch of Abrams - the unitary rockets destroyed some tanks, while the bomblets only immobilised them.
Interesting...

I checked and tested both 227mm M26CM, M26A1CM, M30CM (slots 293,206,214) and the russian 220mm CM, 300mm 9M531CM (slots 106 & 102) and all have no AP pen value (=0), nor HEAT, so the bomblets are not able to penetrate armor, only to damage or immobilise (and/or to harass).

regards

[AMX]

No, that's not the problem - some experimentation with Mobhack shows they are using the HE value, just as they should.

But with Pen 18 and Warhead Size 2 or 3 they are simply not very destructive.