OOB16 Broken Formations

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Originally Posted by BigDuke66

Maybe I misunderstand something here but lets do it step by step:

"Formation 9 Panzer Grp (le)" uses Unit 002 PzKw II C but that one is available from 5/37 so isn't 11/34 still too early?

"Formation 16 JagdPz Zug/4" uses Unit 043 LaS 762 that is already available from 5/42 on so isn't 7/43 a bit too late?
If so maybe other formations that use this vehicle must be checked too:
JagdPz Kp /14
JagdPz Kp /9

"Formation 17 Panzer Kp (le)" has the same problem as "Formation 9 Panzer Grp (le)" it used PzKw II C (5/37) too, additionally the PzKw I is available from 9/35, so isn't 2/35 too soon?

Yes, what you are misunderstanding is a fundamental aspect of the game.

Formation 9 Panzer Grp (le) "uses" Unit 002 PzKw II C as a placeholder for the unitclass " light tank". It does NOT have to be the earliest unit in the OOB.

We do include the tools to learn this with MOBHack

Click on FILE -> Database Check Utilities - > Unit checks - > 12-Light Tank

and this is what you find......

Searching for Units of class 12 Light Tank
001 - PzKw I B - Available 09/035 to 12/041
002 - PzKw II C - Available 05/037 to 12/040
003 - PzKw II F - Available 03/041 to 12/042
004 - PzKw II Luchs - Available 10/043 to 12/046
005 - PzKw II J - Available 05/042 to 07/044
215 - PzKw II D - Available 05/038 to 03/040
388 - PzKw II C - Available 01/041 to 03/043
570 - PzKw I A - Available 11/034 to 12/039
573 - PzKw I C - Available 10/042 to 12/044
834 - PzKw II A / B - Available 10/036 to 12/039
838 - PzKw II F - Available 01/043 to 12/043
951 - Aufklarer 38t - Available 02/044 to 12/044


......... that there IS a unit in the light tank class that the game can find and offer as a choice for that formation. Had you made the change I suggested and loaded the game you would have saw that.

Here's what's available for Units of class 19 Tank Destroyer



042 - JPz I - Available 04/040 to 12/040
043 - LaS 762 - Available 05/042 to 12/042 044 - Marder II (Sf) - Available 06/042 to 12/042
045 - Marder I 37L - Available 07/042 to 12/042
046 - Marder III H - Available 12/042 to 12/042
047 - Marder III M - Available 05/043 to 01/044
048 - PzJgr 38(t) - Available 04/042 to 12/042
049 - Nashorn - Available 07/043 to 12/046
050 - JPz38(t) Hetzer - Available 07/044 to 12/046
053 - Jagdpanther - Available 06/044 to 12/046
054 - Ferdinand - Available 07/043 to 12/043
055 - Elefant - Available 01/044 to 12/044
056 - Jagdtiger - Available 12/044 to 12/046
200 - Sfl.Sturer Emil - Available 02/042 to 01/043 *has X3 Radio Code*
282 - StuG III Ausf.G - Available 07/043 to 01/044
380 - StuG III Ausf.G - Available 02/044 to 05/044
385 - Marder III M - Available 02/044 to 12/046
386 - Marder II (Sf) - Available 02/044 to 12/046
387 - JPz I - Available 01/041 to 03/042
480 - SdKfz 10/5 PaK - Available 06/040 to 12/041 *has X3 Radio Code*
481 - SdKfz 10/5 PaK5 - Available 07/040 to 12/041 *has X3 Radio Code*
503 - JPz IV/48 F/1 - Available 03/044 to 09/044
504 - JPz IV/48 F/2 - Available 06/044 to 12/046
507 - JPz IV/70V - Available 08/044 to 12/046
510 - JPz IV/70A - Available 09/044 to 12/046
555 - StuG III Ausf.G - Available 06/044 to 12/046
578 - Jpz 35(f) - Available 06/041 to 12/042
840 - Jagdpanther (+) - Available 01/045 to 12/046
856 - Jpz 35(f) - Available 01/043 to 09/044
960 - Marder I 37L - Available 01/043 to 12/044
961 - Marder I 39H - Available 06/042 to 12/042
962 - Marder I 39H - Available 01/043 to 12/044
963 - LaS 762 - Available 01/043 to 05/044
964 - Marder II (Sf) - Available 01/043 to 01/044
977 - PzJgr 38(t) - Available 01/043 to 06/044
980 - Marder III H - Available 01/043 to 01/044

NOW click on

FILE -> Database Check Utilities - > FORMATION checks - > 19 Tank Destroyer

AND YOU FIND THIS

016 JagdPz Zug/4 - Available: 07/43-12/46
044 Jagdpanzer Grp - Available: 04/40-12/46
072 JagdPz Kp /14 - Available: 01/44-12/46
158 JagdPz Kp /10 - Available: 10/42-06/43
191 JagdPz Zug /3 - Available: 04/40-06/43
192 JagdPz Kp /9 - Available: 07/43-12/46
6 formations found using UC 19


The earliest a JagdPz formation starts is 4/40..... now refer to the list of Tank Destroyer units and you will see that there are units that cover from 4/40 - 12/46 and everything in between and that should answer all your questions


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