Canadian OOB

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Somehow I feel setup here !?! Well unlike "Southpark" I would never bomb Canada, however it makes you wonder why your "bean counters" would after spending over 100 million U.S. dollars to aquire the TOW/TOW2 systems and missiles think that by taking them out of service and saving 20 million dollars in doing so is a savings. Must be that "new math" I keep hearing about!?! Here we call it the F-35 when we have and are updating the F-22 with the same electronics. But I digress...But fear not ADATS/TOW/JAVELIN S-15 are still good at least through sometime in 2014 for now. In order of reports...
http://canadiandefence.com/canadian-...ce-capability/
http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2012/...outside-bases/

From the next ref. below. Item 3 dated 2/5/2013.
"What They Do
Air Defence Artillery Soldiers are members of Air Defence Artillery units of the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery. The Air Defence Artillery is part of the Combat Arms, but its primary function is to prevent enemy aircraft from interfering with our operations, especially by defending airfields. Air Defence Artillery Soldiers — normally called “Air Defence Gunners” — have the following primary duties:

Operate and maintain air defence weapons systems, including the ADATS, the Javelin S-15 and the Oerlikon twin 35-mm gun;"
http://www.index.forces.gc.ca/Srch.a...rmat=&CurPag=1

Next ref. modified on 8/30/2013...
http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/e...nt/index.page?

Next ref. current I'll call it "For whom the bell tolls..." Program 1.3 is what you want here...
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-rep...page?#sec2_1_3

Some say this might resurrect the CCV and MMEV Program (Look for the LAV-TOW near bottom for MMEV info.) Ref. below on those is a click away...
http://casr.ca/bg-vehicles.htm

All are from Canada and mostly from CF MOD/ARMY sites.

JAVELIN S-15 isn't that STARSTREAK? Why say your training your troops in a system if you don't have it? Now that would be a waste of money!?! The "new math" , glad I got my degree when I did!?!

Regards,
Pat

[Imp]

As always Pat thanks for taking the time, your quiet toiling away is much appreciated.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Somehow I feel setup here !?! Well unlike "Southpark" I would never bomb Canada, however it makes you wonder why your "bean counters" would after spending over 100 million U.S. dollars to aquire the TOW/TOW2 systems and missiles think that by taking them out of service and saving 20 million dollars in doing so is a savings. Must be that "new math" I keep hearing about!?! Here we call it the F-35 when we have and are updating the F-22 with the same electronics. But I digress...But fear not ADATS/TOW/JAVELIN S-15 are still good at least through sometime in 2014 for now. In order of reports...

another source claims the S-15 is no longer in service

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I believe we might be dealing with a couple of possibilities using the 3rd & 4th CAF refs (In order.) from my last post...
The 3rd ref said training included all three systems discussed to include the JAVELIN S-15. The 4th ref again modified (Lower right.) in 8/2013 seven months later doesn't show the JAVELIN S-15. Conclusion: The JAVELIN S-15 went out of service between 1/2013 and 8/2013.

2. Just using the CAF training ref #3. Conclusion: There is no clear evidence the CAF sold them off. That being said, if stored and due to the CAF's limited AA options it is not unlikely they would still be training on the system and would have the capability of maintaining operator proficiency.
STRIX and the discussions and refs we had lead to the same conclusion and we also decided to keep them operational which I still believe was the right decision then and now as we had more to work with.

3. I need to recheck Johns Thread from a few months back. Once I realized they weren't discussing the the ATGW (I do what I can to entertain you all whether it's intended or not. ) I came across some info. I'll recheck.

Regards,
Pat