APC Development and related topics.

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The BTR-90 is being used in limited quantities so will stay as a 93 code

There's no "309" in my OOB

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

SOFTBALL #2 Item #3...

First to respond...
1. At the time the BRADLEY "BUSK" was submitted, the references I used basically put the priority on getting them (Urban Protection System.) installed on the A3. The A3 is pretty much doing most of the heavy lifting now from what I understand on the front lines. And as you mentioned the slot situation is beyond tight.
Though I'll take this opportunity too throw out my Plan B here (And I have my Steinke Hood handy when I get torpedoed!?!-) the UAE or as I like to call it the UAE/PITA some of the countries that make this up already have their own OOB's and trying to keep up with the equipment buys and upgrades etc., etc. I gave up even trying myself to do this maybe could we consider killing it and then dividing it up among the most slot restricted OOB's?

2. This might help concerning the EFOGM or not.
http://www.reocities.com/Pentagon/qu...6747/efogm.htm
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/efogm/

3. The end of "Jake's Tale... As a refresher he primarily served in the BRADLEY A2 tracks as a gunner in Korea and saw combat in Iraq. His unit was one of the ones chosen to operationally field test the BRADLEY A3 BFIST. Not to rehash from the previous posts too much...again the auto-cannon is a dual feed ammo weapon that allows the gunner to select between the HE-FRAG and AP belts while engaging targets. In our discussions and based on them his/my concerns are as follows...
A. Are the game units using HE-FRAG rounds as this was the standard round used by all types to his knowledge.

B. It would make sense especially with the ROF of the BUSHMASTER to have either an equal (And preferable.) amount of both HE-FRAG and AP rounds or at minimum, increase the AP allotment over current game levels.

Those were the game issues discussed somewhere. The last is some insight that would make sense to most of you out here...

C. As a point of interest he told me the loaded belts had between 72-75 (He couldn't remember which.) rounds each. They NEVER had less than 400 rounds each of HE-FRAG and AP onboard (This matches most refs that show they carried at least 900/or 1000 rounds total.) however, when going on a combat mission they routinely carried much more depending on the mission and threats expected to be encountered. An easy rule of thumb as a gunner he/they used was anything less then an up-armored HUMMER got HE-FRAG and above that standard AP.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/m2_bradley.htm
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bradley/

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Ran out of time to edit...
BTR-90...Had more but this from ref. 1/para 1 is from the manufacturer GAZ, "The vehicle was intended for the use of mechanized units of the Russian Army as well as marine units of the Russian Navy, as a vehicle for fire support, transportation of personnel, surveillance, reconnaissance, and patrolling tasks." and from para 1/ref.2 "A small number of these APCs are in service with Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs." we had a similar situation when I submitted the BPM-97 (And one of my very first submissions.) we then decided though in use with Border Guards we at the time could not connect it to the main stream military (The link can be made now as new information became available years later.) and we decided not to enter it. If you remember and those refs supported it, the BTR-90 situation is what drove the BTR-82 just over 3 years ago getting into the game when I submitted it. The BPM-97 and BTR-82 data is at the bottom of the refs.
http://www.gaz.vehiclemechanics.net/btr90/1
http://www.military-today.com/apc/btr_90.htm
http://tanknutdave.com/the-russian-b...hting-vehicle/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...sia/btr-90.htm
http://armour.ws/btr-90-apc/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/btr_82.htm
(Tie in again in the first para to the BTR-90.)
http://www.military-today.com/apc/bpm_97.htm
(Original source as posted in the very beginning of the MRAP Thread I believe.)
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/
(Updated source Paras 6/7.)
http://www.military-today.com/apc/bumerang.htm
(This last caused us a lot of aggravation as well because some thought this to be a revived BTR-90 around the time we worked through the BTR-82 some might find that process interesting, it is all in this Thread. This is on my list as well but it is slightly behind schedule at this time.)

I recommend taking out the BTR-90 and I'm personally holding off on the BPM-97 myself though on my submission list again due to some still "lingering fog" on the subject. I would rather the slot(s) be available for at least one or two of the Russian MRAPS I know they're getting/have in the Army just recently. Just my "2 cents" on this.
Only one more Softball left to go the F-35 and what a mess it is worldwide but I will offer a very simple solution.

Nice of my @*#^&+! mouse to cooperate with MozFox so far!?!

Regards,
Pat

[PvtJoker]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Ran out of time to edit...

I recommend taking out the BTR-90 and I'm personally holding off on the BPM-97 myself though on my submission list again due to some still "lingering fog" on the subject. I would rather the slot(s) be available for at least one or two of the Russian MRAPS I know they're getting/have in the Army just recently. Just my "2 cents" on this.

Regards,
Pat

I don't have time to look for more references you already provided, but I agree with you on the BTR-90. From what I have read it has not been accepted by the Russian Army and it appears that it's no longer even being considered. The Interior Ministry troops (VV, Vnutrenniye Voiska) are using the existing pre-production vehicles, but the numbers are very small, and there is no new production.

Additionally, it seems that the BTR-90 was never even intended to replace the BTR-80, since it's much too expensive for that. The Russian Army still has a huge number of BTR-70 vehicles, which have gas engines and need to be replaced with something relatively inexpensive.

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As noted in the MBT Thread, Don and I have had some discussion about the "BOOMERANG" over the last 2>3 years now. Well from when I first came across this and brought it up I can finally say it exists. Again it sorta reminds me of the Patria AMV.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...ay_parade.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...telligenc.html

The highlighted portions will link you to those pieces of equipment I mentioned in the MBT Thread.

Not mentioned is the fact that the Russian Paras are starting to take deliveries of 2 different types of APC/IFV's.

Regards,
Pat

[Paulus_PAK]

Another Boomerang pic.
There're rumours, that Russians are preparing a fire support version of Boomerang with heavier weaponry.

[Paulus_PAK]

Big pictures of T-15 and Kurganets.
Looks like there are TWO types of APS on every vehicle...