IDF OOB project.

gingertanker · #1 February 15th, 2015, 12:42 PM

ill just start by reading through the last questions here and seeing to them.

shahadi · #2 February 15th, 2015, 01:16 PM

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ill just start by reading through the last questions here and seeing to them.

In the Artillery Corps, in either of the several battalions, which one of them are towed field guns? I have not found a battalion fielding any piece other than self-propelled guns in the publicly available sources.

Yet, the Israel OOB: obat04, has several towed pieces, most prominent is the 155mm.

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gingertanker · #3 February 15th, 2015, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gingertanker

ill just start by reading through the last questions here and seeing to them.

In the Artillery Corps, in either of the several battalions, which one of them are towed field guns? I have not found a battalion fielding any piece other than self-propelled guns in the publicly available sources.

Yet, the Israel OOB: obat04, has several towed pieces, most prominent is the 155mm.

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The M71 Towed Howitzer was used by certain reserve units...Specifically for airborne operations. The last ones were withdrawn from service 2014.

152H55 · #4 February 15th, 2015, 01:54 PM

Glad to see the revival of this project, especially in the fields of mortars, inf-AT and artillery.

gingertanker · #5 February 15th, 2015, 02:11 PM

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Glad to see the revival of this project, especially in the fields of mortars, inf-AT and artillery.

All three of which will be incredibly hard to get right btw. I just spent one hour trying to figure out what light AT/RPG types actually saw service with the IDF and which did not.

shahadi · #6 February 16th, 2015, 02:40 AM

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ill just start by reading through the last questions here and seeing to them.

In the Artillery Corps, in either of the several battalions, which one of them are towed field guns? I have not found a battalion fielding any piece other than self-propelled guns in the publicly available sources.

Yet, the Israel OOB: obat04, has several towed pieces, most prominent is the 155mm.

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The M71 Towed Howitzer was used by certain reserve units...Specifically for airborne operations. The last ones were withdrawn from service 2014.

Okay, so in obat04, the Israel OOB, for Unit Class 9, the towed FA, should we change the unit availability for those units with end dates of 120 to reflect that they've been pulled from service in 2014?

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gingertanker · #7 February 16th, 2015, 03:37 AM

I think that this requires a more in depth check before we remove towed guns from the oob completely...I need to try and find a person who knows if there are other towed guns I don't know of. You have to remember the IDF has a massive reserve force with many strange units and capabilities. I will get to towed guns it will just take a while.

shahadi · #8 February 16th, 2015, 10:51 PM

I would not favor removing towed guns because that would hamper the development of scenarios for earlier periods. I'd say, cap the availability of towed guns to 2014. No purchases beyond 2014 if it is true that the Artillery Corps removed towed pieces in 2014 in favor of SP units.

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gingertanker · #9 November 28th, 2018, 03:32 AM

Okay we need to roll back now for a few moments:

Unit 70: "Nagman" - an extremely confusing unit. Nagman is a M113 with protected superstructure from the early 1990s. But the unit is date to 2000, and the image is of a modification named "Kasman Magen". These had larger fully enclosed superstructures for operations in the West Bank and Gaza. They also had Vayzata armor and sometimes Classical armor! I am not sure if it's worth going into this mess at all? Thoughts?

Units 071 and 078: I remain skeptical that the 30mm Eitan will happen, but if it will it has not yet. As I mentioned elsewhere the current status is the IDF ordered several hundred Eitan AFV's in 2018. They have gone through some training with the Nahal brigade but are not fully online yet. I suggest: Unit 071 and 078: Change start date to 6/19.

M113 chaos:

Unit 083: "Nagmash" - I see this was changed from Bardelas to Nagmash. That's fine. This is, as I mentioned in this thread before, the vanilla M-113. It is very much still in service with reserve units. I will repeat this comment for all M113s- the vastly common armament is the MAG and not the M2HB(source: I was a M113 commander for the last 8 years) suggest:
Unit 083: Change end date to 12/25, change weapon slot 1 to weapon 052 7.62mm FN AAMG

Unit 084 and 098: "Vayzata" is a type of armor applied to M113s. It is a statistical armor meant to cause tumbling in MMG and HMG rounds before they reach the main armor of the vehicle. As it is spaced from the vehicle it gives somewhat of a poor addition to HEAT protection (probably not enough to even stop a rifle grenade). An M113 with this package on is called Nagmash Vayzata or Zelda, this does not merit two units and there should not be different stats. Again the common armament is MAGs. I suggest:
Give unit 084 the armor values of 098(which are slightly loweer). Change armament to 1 MAG AAMG and if you wish another MAG in slot 2.Keep current name of 084.

Unit 085: "Zelda 2" - the later ERA add on plates for M113s never really went into service, but what did is the Classical which is infact the image used for this unit and what the icon looks like. I would:
Rename unit 085 "Classical" and change armament to weapon 052.