Mind you the USA had a fairly odd commitment to China in those days, that I have never seen much sense in, beyond the awful Japanese atrocities like their vile behaviour in Nanking in 1937.
As stated earlier it was primarily economic.
After the Spanish-American War in 1898 the US had a few overseas holdings and while there was no chance of building a "British Empire" they could, and did, compete economically, and China was a pretty significant market. The USA became seriously involved in global trade post WW I (why the US Navy expanded so much between WW I and WW II).
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Guys, the "Bah" was more of a general "hey wait, maybe we're getting sidetracked a little too much and talking a bit too much about alternate counterfactuals, plausibilities, instead of RecruitMonty's mod?"
So a little graphics for RecruitMonty, then back to our arguing
Version 2.0 of Ju-252, with:
1.) Generic Silver Scheme.
2.) Lufthansa Scheme (Black Bands)
3.) All White Winter Scheme.
4.) Green Camouflage Summer Scheme.
5.) All Tan Desert Camouflage.
You'll note that the civilian graphics don't have a top turret.
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I'm just a "straight up" baseline game player, though this mod has intrigued me over the years. That being said, does this mod have and build onto the ARADO 234 BLITZ? The 234B-2 being the definitive operational model to see combat before the wars end. it was classified as a single seat reconnaissance bomber and would have been operational around Sep/Oct 1944 with 214 total models built.
Some quick facts: Powerplant: 2 Junkers Jumo 109-004B-1 Orkan (Hurricane) turbojets. Speed: 461mph@19,685ft./438mph@sea level. Armament: 2 Defensive aft firing fuselage mounted 15.1mm MG 151 or 20mm MG151/20 cannons with 250/200 rounds per gun respectively. Offensive bomb load 2,204lbs/3,307lbs with rocket assist "drop" motors. Range: based on previous corresponding bomb loads 1,013 miles/684 miles. It had a high ceiling and was a very advanced plane to include a fully functional pilot ejection seat system. If needed or wanted I have all the rest of the specs as well. It's just you never hear about this one because it wasn't as "exciting" as the Me-163 KOMET (COMET) or the Me-262 SCHWALBE (SWALLOW).
Let me know in the meantime I think I'll check into something elsewhere.
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Like most of the advanced weapons the Germans were working on late in the war it was a case of too little and too late and with not enough fuel to use it much in any case.
One of the interesting things about a Mod like this is in a Germany without Hitler and the Nazis, Germany can make sane strategic and operational choices (tactics the Germans always did well). Also Germany need not lose a lot of very good brains due to their religion/race and some scientific/technical projects might go a bit faster for them than they did in reality.
For example the ME 262 jet fully operational, as a fighter, in late 1943-early 1944 (and that might have created problems for even the Western Allies in the real WWII, given that out of all the Allies only the Brits had an operational Jet, the Gloster Meteor in WWII).
As an Aside I am always struck that Gloster Aircraft produced the RAF's last biplane fighter, the Gladiator that saw action in WWII and the RAF's first jet Fighter the Meteor by 1944...
For example the ME 262 jet fully operational, as a fighter, in late 1943-early 1944 (and that might have created problems for even the Western Allies in the real WWII, given that out of all the Allies only the Brits had an operational Jet, the Gloster Meteor in WWII).
As an Aside I am always struck that Gloster Aircraft produced the RAF's last biplane fighter, the Gladiator that saw action in WWII and the RAF's first jet Fighter the Meteor by 1944...
Yes it would have but it doesn't change the fact that the Atomic bomb was ready August 1945 and defeating Nazi Germany always the Allied Priority. Hamburg is as viable a target as Hiroshima and a lot easier to get to. There is no question it would have been used there first if the war had dragged on. Germany was lucky it ended there in May
Yes it would have but it doesn't change the fact that the Atomic bomb was ready August 1945 and defeating Nazi Germany always the Allied Priority. Hamburg is as viable a target as Hiroshima and a lot easier to get to. There is no question it would have been used there first if the war had dragged on. Germany was lucky it ended there in May
Couldn't it be argued that the allies wouldn't have had the Bomb at all without the research, materials and knowledge of the German scientists they "coerced" into helping after V-E day?
There is no question it would have been used there first if the war had dragged on. Germany was lucky it ended there in May[/color]
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Apparently, sometime in December 1944, as the Battle of the Bulge was reaching it's peak; FDR asked Groves if the bomb could be ready soon [tm] through speeded up research for tactical use against German spearheads.
The answer was no, but we'd have it ready by about August 1945.
Groves related some of this in a news interview in 1965 following publication of his book NOW IT CAN BE TOLD.
Ten were built and used during the war to shuttle parts from plant to plant inside Germany in an operational transport role.
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Any discussion on post-war Nazi Germany's military has got to incorporate the fact that more so than other nations, there were independent satrapies within the state hierarchy operating as they mostly saw fit; e.g. the SS state within a state.
While every nation has a bit of this with favored contractors (Boeing for heavy jet bombers for the USAF), the Germans went a bit overboard with it.
With tanks alone, you've got:
Henschel
Krupp
Porsche
Daimler Benz
MAN
And parts might be mixed and matched from various manufacturers to get what they wanted -- e.g. Krupp turret and Henschel hull (Tiger I), while manufacturers might order production expecting the order (Porsche Tiger), only to be left having to find a use for them (remanufactured into Ferdinand/Elefants).
Peacetime development would alleviate a lot of this craziness by reducing the pressure on design teams; but it'd still be there.
Re: WinSP MBT: Das Reich
Re: WinSP MBT: Das Reich
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