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The problem with this is neither Shrapnel Games nor Camo Workshop are "presenting" this mod in any way other than providing a space for discussions about it in our mods sub forum, so it is both inaccurate and misleading to suggest we are "presenting" it
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Agreed. I didn't catch that the first time around. Just saw the tanks. Best just attribute it to the modder.
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Clone OBAT44 after you're done making the "master" copy into OBAT42, so that Luftwaffe Paratroopers, etc can be selected as CAPTURED or ALLIED for scenarios dated 1/1946 to 5/1949.
And here's something for the Mountain troops; the Fa.223Z (or Fa.223Da); which was "Plan B" for heavy VTOL lifting from 1943 onwards apparently, when the original "Plan A", the Fa 284 kind of sputtered out.
The Fa284 would have been powered by two BMW 801 at 1,600 hp each for 3,200 hp total, for a maximum liftoff weight of 12,000 kg and an empty weight of 8,165 kg; for a payload of about 2,000 kg. A later development apparently upgraded the engines to 2,000 hp each, raising MTOW to 16,000 kg and freight load to 7,000 kg.
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I'd rather not do that. I'm trying to leave as small a footprint outside of 35 and 44 as possible. Also 42 contains a few useful units itself - monitors, 88s, Cavalry.
At the moment the easiest way around this problem is simply to set the scenario up in late 1949 - buy the units needed from OOB 44 and then when your done reset the dates to what you actually wanted.
What the heck is that thing? Looks like a "Drache" on steroids!
I think the Fa. 284 is more aesthetically pleasing. Would you mind awfully making one or should I have a go at it? I'm pleased we found these because they compliment the regular transport helicopters I already have really well. There was a gap there and now its been closed.
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Then there's the FA 283 an apparent jet powered gyrodyne, which could be used as the basis for a series of German light utility/attack helicopters in the 1960s.
Then there's the FA 283 an apparent jet powered gyrodyne, which could be used as the basis for a series of German light utility/attack helicopters in the 1960s.
I had seen that too. What an interesting design. I wonder if it is feasible? It screams attack helicopter. Only problem is it is jet powered and in the mid 1940s that meant high fuel consumption.
The flight characteristics would be peculiar as well I imagine.
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I had seen that too. What an interesting design. I wonder if it is feasible? It screams attack helicopter. Only problem is it is jet powered and in the mid 1940s that meant high fuel consumption.
Well, I look at it in the same way the Messerschmitt P.1101 in 1945 was studied heavily by Bell for the X-5 of 1951 that tested different wing geometries in flight, which eventually led to the F-111A of 1964, the MiG-23 of 1967, and the Tornado of 1974.
So figure the Fa 283 V0 flies in maybe 1947 or 1948 and has some intruiging characteristics, like hitting an extremely high top speed for a VTOL/STOL craft, but poor payload performance from a dead stop (no power to rotor apparently) and high fuel consumption kind of do it in.
Eventually it's reworked circa 1949 or 1950 into the Fa.283 V1 which turns it from a simple gyrodyne into a compound helicopter by the addition of a 100-200 hp piston engine in the fuselage which turns the rotor; significantly improving payload carrying capability from a dead stop and other low speed flight characteristics. But the piston engine takes up too much room in the fuselage.
A couple years pass; and in 1952 or 1953, they re-work it again into the Fa.283 V2 which uses a 500 SHP turboshaft engine adopted from an experimental turboprop. The turboshaft is pretty bulky compared to modern (c.1960s) turboshafts, but it's significantly less weight and bulk than the piston engine.
Suddenly, it's possible to have a useful fuselage payload. Also, maybe around this time, they also replace the jet with a turboprop engine; and from there on, you have the family tree that leads to your "Von Cheyenne" that's in the game as the Do.410.
The problem I can see with this, if you will forgive me, is if you allow almost every German Prototype, let alone drawing board idea, to become a real weapons system, then you have to do more or less the same for other nations too, or you are giving the Germans an advantage they never actually had or could have had.
In reality US, British-Commonwealth and Soviet Russian weapon development all slowed down from about Spring 1945, since Japan never could have held out all that long after the fall of Germany, with, or even without, an US/allied 'A' Bomb.
So to do this, with any realism, you also need to look at Allied paper projects or, at least Prototypes, and turn the best of them into real weapons...
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