WinSP MBT: Das Reich

scorpio_rocks · #1 April 6th, 2016, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by IronDuke99

The problem I can see with this, if you will forgive me, is if you allow almost every German Prototype, let alone drawing board idea, to become a real weapons system, then you have to do more or less the same for other nations too, or you are giving the Germans an advantage they never actually had or could have had.

So to do this, with any realism, you also need to look at Allied paper projects or, at least Prototypes, and turn the best of them into real weapons...

This HAS been redressed a little with the inclusion of Soviet and other Heavy Tanks and a few "Paper Tigers".

Of course that would also be an inordinate amount of work!

RecruitMonty · #2 April 6th, 2016, 09:00 AM

I had a really detailed and good reply to this but my ****ing mouse decided to click on the wrong damn button (one of these Microsoft super mice with too much technology and piss poor interface).

Long story short.

Download the mod, (if you haven't already), look at what the Germans actually get, think for a second about the fact that most post-war projects in aviation, rocketry etc were pinched German designs / know-how and ask yourself just why design "slackened" from mid 45 onward for a while. I'll give you a clue - there was no one left to catch up with.

If you want to close the tech gap vis-à-vis E-75 and up then one bright spark who is mean with a virtual paint-brush can knock out some "Kitty-Killers". I'll do the rest.

The German kit is almost all based on designs that were going to be introduced. The rest is extrapolation very much within the realm of balance (you need to have a point of reference when you design an AFV from scratch and have in most cases nix to go on and that point of reference is invariably other kit from other oobs) and realism.

If you like I could put in some flying saucers.

The Do. 407 is already in the mod. I included it because the mod is already too full with analogue designs when it comes to helicopters.

MarkSheppard · #3 April 6th, 2016, 08:23 PM

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I had a really detailed and good reply to this but my ****ing mouse decided to click on the wrong damn button (one of these Microsoft super mice with too much technology and piss poor interface).

COMRADE. Microsoft Notepad is your saviour!

(type lengthy replies in it, then cut and paste into your browser window).

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Download the mod, (if you haven't already)

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look at what the Germans actually get, think for a second about the fact that most post-war projects in aviation, rocketry etc were pinched German designs / know-how and ask yourself just why design "slackened" from mid 45 onward for a while. I'll give you a clue - there was no one left to catch up with.

I wouldn't go as far as that, but the one field that the Germans were undisputably the leader in was liquid propellant rocketry -- every major rocket since 1945 traces it's lineage to the A-4/V-2.

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If you want to close the tech gap vis-à-vis E-75 and up then one bright spark who is mean with a virtual paint-brush can knock out some "Kitty-Killers". I'll do the rest.

That can be arranged.

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If you like I could put in some flying saucers.

See attached

AVRO Canada was very big on saucer-like aircraft.

EDIT: I could SWEAR someone at some point did an Avro saucer icon.

MarkSheppard · #4 April 6th, 2016, 08:39 PM

Monty, I love it when I find surprises.

I was about to suggest the Ka-22 LINK and Ka-34 LINK as an analogue for German heavy rotorcraft; and I was going to build the icon, and while looking for something else, I found an icon you did in 2007 as a Christmas present.

MarkSheppard · #5 April 6th, 2016, 09:36 PM

And here's something for when you do the vassal states of Neu Europe: some Hetzer variants I chopped out using the stock SPCAMO icons as a base.

RecruitMonty · #6 April 7th, 2016, 08:14 AM

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And here's something for when you do the vassal states of Neu Europe: some Hetzer variants I chopped out using the stock SPCAMO icons as a base.

At present I have no plans to make OOBs for the "Vassal States". OOB 44's name folder contains an admixture of French, Scandinavian and Dutch names (which cover most of the immediate neighbours of the Reich).

If you want to make scenarios with "Vassal States" - I have - then all you need to do is take the regular unit and then play around with the equipment. Works well for Vichy France, for instance. Spain and Italy are not too much trouble either. You just give them some German kit to replace American AFVs etc and keep the locally produced stuff.

Those icons are nice. Although they are not to scale with the Hetzers / E-10s I am using. I may knock something together.

RecruitMonty · #7 April 7th, 2016, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

Monty, I love it when I find surprises.

I was about to suggest the Ka-22 LINK and Ka-34 LINK as an analogue for German heavy rotorcraft; and I was going to build the icon, and while looking for something else, I found an icon you did in 2007 as a Christmas present.

Haha! That old beast. Still got it saved away in both configurations. It was a lot of fun to make.

troopie · #8 April 7th, 2016, 02:20 AM

So that means that I have work to do on the Atlantean Orbat. Instead of waiting until 1947 to finish the switch to the E-1943 Esetsi Assault Rifle, it will have to be done by 1945's end. The Talburath LATV will have to be ready by 1946, so will the Lehoineraile Attack Helo. The navalised Samhara SAM, the aircraft carrier version of the Pantera, the AB-45-A swept wing jet fighter (one prototype was built but never flown. The project was cancelled) the ABB-101 jet bomber, (one mockup) the Kaibion LRGM, basically a guided cruise missile, The Erainilorna a Numinor 2 class battleship mounting 504mm guns and the Kaibion missile will all have to be built. There are many other weapons projects that were slowed down or cancelled that must be revived.

Also that super secret at**1c b**b project will have to be sped up.

troopie

RecruitMonty · #9 April 7th, 2016, 08:17 AM

I guess so. I take it the Atlanteans are luke-warm towards the Reich?

troopie · #10 April 8th, 2016, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RecruitMonty

I guess so. I take it the Atlanteans are luke-warm towards the Reich?

It depends on the Reich. Relations between the Kingdom and the Empire were quite friendly. Atlantis was neutral in WW1 and the Germans tried not to sink Atlantean ships. If they did, the protest was always met with an apology and an offer of compensation.

troopie