Leo2A4 destroyed

[Aeraaa]

Originally Posted by DRG

If the Turks didn't send in airstrikes to destroy those vehicles ( and anything else they found moving in the area) that would be a serious lapse in judgement on their part that will come back to bite them

In general the Turkish military performs quite average in Syria. And to get into a game issue, I think their inflated base experience and morale are not in accordnance to their RL performance...

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Aeraaa

In general the Turkish military performs quite average in Syria. And to get into a game issue, I think their inflated base experience and morale are not in accordnance to their RL performance...

Hindsight is always 20/20 --- any enemy can get lucky .......and Greeks commenting about Turks.....gee, how did I expect that to go ..... The Turks ratings right now are the high side of average-----we'll see how this develops.

[Aeraaa]

To begin with, merry X-mas to everyone, best wishes to you and your families!

Now, on topic...

Originally Posted by DRG

Hindsight is always 20/20 --- any enemy can get lucky .......and Greeks commenting about Turks.....gee, how did I expect that to go ..... The Turks ratings right now are the high side of average-----we'll see how this develops.

First of all, I don't understand why nationality prevents someone from commenting. Americans do comment on Russian military, Israelis on Arab militaries etc. Second, the Turks in the game have 73 BE and 77 morale in 2016. That puts them almost in the same league as France and Germany (around 75 BE IIRC) and actually with higher morale than both. They even have better xp and morale than Russian military (70 on both values), even though IMHO the latter is definitely more experienced and motivated (come to think of it the comtemporary Russian military is undervalued in the game).
Turkey isn't much more experienced or motivated than the average NATO countries that are in the 69-66 range. That is my point.
I do agree with what you said about hindsight though and I remembered that most events regarding Turkey happened after the latest update. One thing that is certain is that the coup attempt of July (and the purges that followed) did certainly have an effect on the ability of the Turkish military and I think that it should reflected in the next update (a drop in values after July 2016).

[RecruitMonty]

Originally Posted by Aeraaa

To begin with, merry X-mas to everyone, best wishes to you and your families!

Now, on topic...

First of all, I don't understand why nationality prevents someone from commenting. Americans do comment on Russian military, Israelis on Arab militaries etc. Second, the Turks in the game have 73 BE and 77 morale in 2016. That puts them almost in the same league as France and Germany (around 75 BE IIRC) and actually with higher morale than both. They even have better xp and morale than Russian military (70 on both values), even though IMHO the latter is definitely more experienced and motivated (come to think of it the comtemporary Russian military is undervalued in the game).
Turkey isn't much more experienced or motivated than the average NATO countries that are in the 69-66 range. That is my point.
I do agree with what you said about hindsight though and I remembered that most events regarding Turkey happened after the latest update. One thing that is certain is that the coup attempt of July (and the purges that followed) did certainly have an effect on the ability of the Turkish military and I think that it should reflected in the next update (a drop in values after July 2016).

I've always wondered why the Bundeswehr has such high ratings post Cold War. Then again it is not like we ever really get to see them in action as such. Even in Afghanistan there wasn't much to report on.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by RecruitMonty

I've always wondered why the Bundeswehr has such high ratings post Cold War. Then again it is not like we ever really get to see them in action as such. Even in Afghanistan there wasn't much to report on.

If I handed out the morale/experience lists to 100 players to modify to what they believe would be correct I'm betting I would get back 101 different lists. Few of which would be anything more than personal opinion.

The lists in the game now are our "personal opinions" based on our observations and given the number of nations and the number of decades involved the chances of them being 100% correct is about as likely as anyone proving them 100% wrong.

So........ don't like our numbers? Simple----- put in your own troop quality numbers.

[scorpio_rocks]

Originally Posted by DRG

...put in your own troop quality numbers.

Would LOVE to... However as we can only alter formation numbers by +/- 30 its not so easy.

Is there ANY chance it would ever be possible to alter an entire OoB base experience/morale values? (something many modders have been asking about for ages)

Sorry - just to clarify- not disputing any of the current ratings, mainly for whole OOB swap mods, alternate countries, etc.

[RecruitMonty]

Originally Posted by DRG

If I handed out the morale/experience lists to 100 players to modify to what they believe would be correct I'm betting I would get back 101 different lists. Few of which would be anything more than personal opinion.

The lists in the game now are our "personal opinions" based on our observations and given the number of nations and the number of decades involved the chances of them being 100% correct is about as likely as anyone proving them 100% wrong.

So........ don't like our numbers? Simple----- put in your own troop quality numbers.

I don't mind and don't intend on changing them or suggesting they be changed. Makes for more entertaining games against the Russians the way things are at present.

The real thing would, of course, be over pretty quick any way. We all like our nukes, after all.