The unbeatable combination is it out there?

[Fyron]

Knock the Religous enemy out before they can get Talismans.

[Skulky]

When you play games like MFKT where everyone has everything then it changes stuff up a bit, however, part of the religious disadvantage is they dont' get any good stuff until the talisman. and also for a heavy research race, the idea is you are superior and have won, or are in a really good position to do so when you end. also, as you see the end in sight, scrap one or more research facilites on your planets that are all research and put in value improvement plants there or nature shrines for the religious player. this way the conVersion will go easier. You coudl even consider changing over some earlier.

[ August 22, 2002, 05:06: Message edited by: Skulky ]

[Baron Munchausen]

We had a cry for help on these Boards from someone else some months ago. His problem was an enemy using Crystalline Technology and Phased Energy Weapons in combination. That's ARMOR skipping weapons combined with SHIELD skipping weapons. Nasty. Since the game is already in progress you can't try it out this time around. But you could research say, the Null Space Cannon and the Phased Polaron Beam if phased shields aren't to close to being developed. That would also be a nasty combination. Since he has the talisman you can skip ECM and other 'defensive' techs (like stealth armor) in favor of piling up as much shield and armor points as possible.

The classic counter to the Talisman though, is long-ranged weapons. Especially seekers. He can't hit you if you aren't in range.

[Jmenschenfresser]

Has anyone ever tried a massive fighter/missle combo attack? I think if you made really fast fighters, they could engage the enemy before your ships close enough to fire missles. Usually the only way to beat PDC is to flood it, and that's hard to do with either or.

Dunno.

[Phoenix-D]

I'm using meson/missiles/fighters in a PBW game right now; I'll let you know how it turns out. Right now though I'm not actually attacking, just being an isolationist SOB

Phoenix-D

[Mephisto]

Close Quarter Combat. You need to reduce his advantage of scoring more hits per time then you. Remember, you can save your ECM against a religious race and you can leave scattering and cloaking armor at home. Nothing of this will help you in the way of the to-hit-chance. This free tonnage could and should go into shields or simple armor so you can take the beating while closing the distance and then GRILL HIM!

[geoschmo]

In the stock game fighters and missles are of limeted use agaisnt tailsman. PDC are too easy to build and too powerful against them. And the PDC also gets the guaranteed hit of the tailsman. Not too mention the standard weapons can now be used with great effectiveness against your fighters cause they don't miss anymore.

Your only chance really is as Mephisto says, get in close and pound him to dust. Phased shielding, and your strongest per shot weapons. Throw out the rules about not using the big guns cause they take too long to reload. When you ship only gets one shot before going poof you want it to be the biggest shot you can make it. So this is a case where Null space can be superior to Phased polaron beams.

Also have lots of ships and plan on losing a bunch. If your enemy has tailsman AND can outproduce you are pretty much dead. Learn your lesson and next time take them out sooner.

Geo