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Old April 22nd, 2021, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: M4 Carbine Range question

1/ The M4 carbine has had a range of 4 since 2002 and it's now 2021 ...nineteen years ...the VERY FIRST release....and in that time one ( 1 ) person ( you..) has questioned it and 2002 was before I took on the totally wonderful job of trying to keep these things straight so IDK what "the logic behind" that particular decision was exactly and since it's never been mentioned before I'd have to guess it's use was considered to be more for short range close combat situations rather than long-range shooting. That's my guess... the other is the guy who put it in f%*ked up and it took 19 years to be noticed

2/ Weapons with better than iron sights get to shoot further that's why AGOG etc are a bit more than standard along with increase accuracy makes them more effective

3/ The M4A1 Carbine is 7 but it started life in 2008 at 4 just like the M4 but in 2016 was upgraded to 7 and I would suggest since I do not have an Edenic memory ( but I do keep copies of the past release OOB's ) that some unnamed player mentioned the range was too short for the M4A1 at 4 and it was changed but the M4 was overlooked.
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1/ The M4 carbine has had a range of 4 since 2002 and it's now 2021 ...nineteen years ...the VERY FIRST release....and in that time one ( 1 ) person ( you..) has questioned it and 2002 was before I took on the totally wonderful job of trying to keep these things straight so IDK what "the logic behind" that particular decision was exactly and since it's never been mentioned before I'd have to guess it's use was considered to be more for short range close combat situations rather than long-range shooting. That's my guess... the other is the guy who put it in f%*ked up and it took 19 years to be noticed

2/ Weapons with better than iron sights get to shoot further that's why AGOG etc are a bit more than standard along with increase accuracy makes them more effective

3/ The M4A1 Carbine is 7 but it started life in 2008 at 4 just like the M4 but in 2016 was upgraded to 7 and I would suggest since I do not have an Edenic memory ( but I do keep copies of the past release OOB's ) that some unnamed player mentioned the range was too short for the M4A1 at 4 and it was changed but the M4 was overlooked.
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UPDATE...but now it and all the others in the various OOB's are 6 and the M4A1 is 7 and for purposes of the game the "M4" is assumed to use Iron sights but the "A1" is assumed to use optics. The M4 should have been upgraded to 6 range when the M4A1 Carbine was upgraded to 7 range but to put this in perspective the weapon used in the game by most US units for the current time period is the M16A4/M4 ACOG RIFLE which has a range of 9 hexes. The M4 "Carbine" is what's used by Mortar crews, TOW teams, and forward observers and in some few cases, scout teams in the game but I think there is a semantics issue here.

The current M4 rifle is generally referred to as a "carbine" rather than "assault rifle" ( for reasons I think have more to do with political correctness ) but what most US troops use in the game is the "rifle" version with the longer range and optics.

The "M4 Carbine" was put into the first MBT OOB with a 4 range and I am assuming since I was not the guy who built the original OOB thought that this "carbine" version was a short-barreled firearm not unlike the Russian AKS-74U (like the M4 COMMANDO with an 11.5" barrel) which would explain the similar range and why it was only generally issued to support or HQ units in the game.
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UPDATE...but now it and all the others in the various OOB's are 6 and the M4A1 is 7 and for purposes of the game the "M4" is assumed to use Iron sights but the "A1" is assumed to use optics. The M4 should have been upgraded to 6 range when the M4A1 Carbine was upgraded to 7 range but to put this in perspective the weapon used in the game by most US units for the current time period is the M16A4/M4 ACOG RIFLE which has a range of 9 hexes. The M4 "Carbine" is what's used by Mortar crews, TOW teams, and forward observers and in some few cases, scout teams in the game but I think there is a semantics issue here.
I'll work on separating the M16A4 ACOG and M4A1 ACOG in the USMC weapons tab and updating the units effected. Expect an updated USMC OOB sometime in the future.
M16A4 = 9
M4A1 = 7
M4 = 6
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