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June 7th, 2021, 09:27 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
UPDATE: UK BOXER
STATUS: Preparatory to construction of first PROTOTYPES.
WHEN: Late 2022. First type will be the Mechanized Infantry Version ( MIV) coming from Germany. This will be the precursor of a follow on order for 500 BOXER's in if I remember 4 variants.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...tall_plan.html
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June 17th, 2021, 12:58 AM
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UPDATE: French JAGUAR
Status: French Army has just begun their evaluation of the JAGUAR. The evaluation is being conducted by STAT ( Section Technique de l’ Armée de Terre, Technical Section of the Ground Force).
Analysis: It appears the " manufacturers" testing is now complete or winding down. No further timeline is given. I'm thinking this phase will last about a year. At the end of this it'll go back to NEXTER to make any fixes or modifications the French Army identifies.
At that point we can discuss IOC-MAYBE. I don't believe it's intended to reach FOC much before mid-2023 or first half of 2024.
The pictures are worth the " price of admission" especially the first inside turret view and the " slat armor" which makes me wonder, is the armor protection not as good as thought!?! These are the first pictures I've seen of the JAGUAR running around with that attached.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...e_vehicle.html
UPDATE for UK AJAX. There's "A whole lotta shaken goin on here!!",
this from the 9th...
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...us-ajax-issues
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June 18th, 2021, 08:11 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
Borsuk APC
Poland nearly finishing tests of new domestic APC [Badger] build by HSW which will be replacement for old BWP-1. As for now three prototypes are build and last was tested during exercises Dragon-21. Borsuk will have new local build turret unmanned ZSSW-30 which is also projected to be used on Rosomak APC equipped in 30mm Mk44S Bushmaster II chain gun, 7.62mm UKM-2000C coaxial machine gun and Spike ATGM launcher in box on right side.
Rosomak with ZSSW030
https://i.imgur.com/Es7B8Qh.jpg
Borsuk is indeed to be introduced in year 2023/2024 to army and manufactured by Huta Stalowa Wola HSW.
link to some photos
https://www.defence24.pl/borsuk-na-dragonie-21
English language video about this vehicle and intended versions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oRG...e=emb_imp_woyt
Nice video showing Borsuk in movment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo
Here ZSSW-30 on Rosomak firing Spikes from tower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRedOnY24pk
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July 16th, 2021, 04:10 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
Belorussia arms industry is a little forgotten inside game because the haven't their own OOB but they have capable industry and creating their own equipment different from Russian sources for their own domestic usage and export markets.
Here new Belarusian IFV Volat V2 APC (MZKT-690003) intended sucessor of BMP1/2 based on BTR-80
and here source and more photos
https://thedeaddistrict.blogspot.com/
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July 25th, 2021, 03:32 AM
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Aright this is about USA UNIT 339 AMPV I recommend a revised START date of JUN 2023 vice current JAN 2022..
Issues...
1. Production line tooling issues.
2. Other technical testing and equipment issues.
3. Budget cut recommendations ( Enacted.) from the Army and Congress to support funding for other modernization programs.
4. Production delays due to COVID-19. Since we're now "officially" in the 4th wave, possible further delay possible. However, I'm NOT basing my recommendation on "possible", it's based on trends and factual data at this time.
OVERVIEW: Project started in 2014. The Army was expected to have ~258 Units by 2020.. As of this month the Army has around 35 Units in testing NOW!
Current Testing from 23 July 2021...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...d_testing.html
First article w/ Overview and first of delays discussed from 04 November 2020....
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army...ampv-fielding/
Current article discusses contract approved to modify spare parts, if your modifying that means what you have doesn't work!!
I quote from the next dated 16 May 2021.
"The work, which is is expected to be complete in Jan. 2023, will be performed in York, Pennsylvania, where BAE Systems builds the armored vehicles and its modernized howitzers."
"The first fielding for AMPV is projected in the second quarter of FY23 (That means No Sooner THEN JAN - APR 2023, roughly a year after the start of the IOT&E, according to the Army’s Program Executive Office for Ground Combat Systems (PEO GCS)."
I believe JUNE 2023 to be a much " safer" START date.
https://defence-blog.com/new-deal-mo...tial-fielding/
I read "my papers" and this is how the POOP begins!?!
BEDTIME!!
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July 31st, 2021, 01:22 AM
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UPDATES:
UK: AJAX. Things aren't looking very " rosy" at this point and again, another article saying possibly the whole program is in jeopardy. From my ref...
“I describe Ajax as a troubled programme. I wish it wasn't, but it is,” Minister for Defence Procurement Jeremy Quin said. “It requires a lot of work from ourselves and our industry partners to get ourselves back on track. We can't be 100% certain that can be achieved.”
AJAX will not reach IOC until this issue is resolved.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...rogramme_19116
USA: OMFV (Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle). The USA has chosen the 5 teams that will move onto the Design Phase for the OMFV. This part of the development will
will last 15 months to completion before the next phase starts somewhere around the beginning of 2023.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...sign-contracts
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August 22nd, 2021, 09:08 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
I was actually looking into something that was in no way related to the following. All the Threads I started have matching folders on my PC. However for some reason it didn't make it into the folder, were I to guess, I probably came across this just before having to get ready for work.
Anyway...
UK: AJAX UPDATE: You'll all love this, apparently MOD knew about the vibration issue on AJAX since 2017!!!
Well obviously they run a secure operation, that is until they go before the Parliament anyway!?!
https://www.army-technology.com/feat...orted-in-2019/
https://twitter.com/FTusa284/status/1405089340196278274
(This as "clicked" on where above underlined "2017".)
Note: The above article also notes the vibration caused stabilization issues for the FCS & 40mm, well no poop!! The point is this is an added issue to what I've already posted about the gun design and loading equipment modifications that the UK decided to make.
Again this is why the French will field the JAGUAR with the same weapons system without modification well before UK gets to IOC or FOC, if ever as posted in my last.
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