obat26 Afghanistan

[Mobhack]

That area has been a nasty place for outsiders to try to operate since Alexander the Great's time and likely before.

The morale and rally may need a check for the taliban formations.

The "government" (ANA and etc) is likely set low enough, any "central government" of Afghanistan never seems to be worth much militarily - see how they folded recently after 20 odd years of training and suppply from the Western foeces. The governemnt forces were not much help to the Soviets when they had thier turn in the country, either.

The place is best left to itself and if any organisation causes bother that is based there then a quick in and out to smash the bases in future is all that should be contemplated if something more than cruise missile or B52 strikes is needed.

The Taliban stopped the poppy planting last time they were in control, so hopefully they will do that again, at least.

Afghanistan is the Balkans+++...

[blazejos]

Here is what today happens 16th of August 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbxxi8UGN6E

Panic at Kabul airport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzISUAacT8A
https://twitter.com/i/status/1427246557200625665

And this video of American transport plane and desperation of peoples around is a proof that nothing is under control today (drastic scenes)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1427236717183045642

Al Jazeera about this subject Airport last stand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKmLy7CWWI

Streets of Kabul today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CswMkfstAZo

British soldiers just arrive to face this last stand on airport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6T7NPg-Wzo

Street crowd opinion about performance of ANA during this war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyt7G5ED6a4

Real accounts of internal displaced persons what's happens in countryside looks like on every war since antiqity civilians are killed (read men are shots immediately women raped and probably then killed or not)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY2jBV8WpHo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_7rUPWeQM

And here story of Gul teenage girl who try save her parents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smi_rEvVQ0s

A month ago this was said about this subject by today victors about future of women's there. "Taliban wants girls above 15 to be "gifted to fighters as wives"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zju15VoByGI

And here article about women soldiers of ANA They fear most to became POW and may fight to death if this last chance pace talks goes to nothing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/08/16/scared-raped-killed-afghanistans-female-soldiers-fear-lives/ Here their training in 2019 captured by france24 camera
https://www.france24.com/en/20190405...an-oil-morocco

Story of Women inside Afganistan who are now face uncertain future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h31f-slCNok

And here probably words which summarise all this event's in short form by
Seraj Mahbouba and words to all of us on the west.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUJlQbKHD2o

[SaS TrooP]

And here probably words which summarise all this event's in short form by
Seraj Mahbouba and words to all of us on the west.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUJlQbKHD2o

20 years of actual military supplementation and advanced training.
Nearly the entire Marshall's Plan worth of aid to Afghanistan.
More than 2 trillions of military intervention cost.
Aaaaaand there is Afghan government falling like a cripple from a wheelchair the second the nurse turned the head for a second.

Oh, come on woman. If in 20 years Afghans cannot be convinced to broadly understood West, nothing will convince them. Taliban won because they generally do and say what majority of Afghans really believe and want, regardless what bull**** were they previously telling to the ISAF troops shaking their hands.
Afghanistan is for Afghans, if they want it Taliban style, so be it :P
Or they had all the means to fight for it.

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

The morale and rally may need a check for the taliban formations.

The "government" (ANA and etc) is likely set low enough, any "central government" of Afghanistan never seems to be worth much militarily - see how they folded recently after 20 odd years of training and suppply from the Western foeces.

Apparently supply/organization in the ANA and Police forces were nonexistent:

1.) Many ANA people hadn't been paid since...around May of this year. If you're not getting paid for the last 4 months, why stay?

2.) Many people were "ghost" soldiers, existing on paper to supply graft and corruption -- this was also AFAIK an issue with the Soviets in Afghanistan and/or Chechnya, but because Soviet organization was set up around WWII style supply distribution -- if you reported headcount accurately, you got less food/ammo, so there was an incentive to report dead people as alive to get their supplies.

In the Afghan case, it was pure corruption, pocketing the "ghost soldiers'" salaries.

3.) Afghans couldn't even get "into" logistics -- many US units started carrying extra ammo and mags to resupply their assigned police; because the Afghan Police refused to issue out ammo -- you were given 2 magazines for your pistol, and you couldn't get any more until you came back with no ammo.

The Afghans didn't get the concept that waiting until a unit was "black" in regards to supply was really bad.

4.) And this next issue is endemic to tribal culture -- this was also encountered in Mali (Africa) by the French who were attempting to train anti Shahib militas.

Basically, local tribal councils keep the best quality manpower for their local militas and tribal police -- as a consequence, only the total fookin' idiots of that area get given up whenever the central government/police come around asking for manpower.

This has a lot of knock on effects for trying to run a national army in areas of intense tribalism -- you're having to explain to the poorest possible quality of personnel why preventive maintenance is good for firearms and vehicles, and why you shouldn't be smoking hash while on guard duty (!!!)