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Old December 9th, 2021, 07:19 AM
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So according to AMZ Kutno website and wikipedia https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMZ_%C5%BBubr they are now two versions

and also this article https://milmag.pl/mspo-2021-system-o...od-pit-radwar/

Żubr P Poprad (AA version)
- with Grom rockets (older variant)
- new Piorun AA rockets (new production vehicles)
Don't know if all were modernised all two version existing together probably this second and all will be modernised to Piorun when older rockets will be used
- variant with radar Soła & Bystra
- WG-35 FOO vehicle for battery of Poprad

Żubr WD (command variant)

Żubr MMSR (with radio-location device N-26A/MMSR)

Here how Poprad unit my looks like in organisation
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Misc.

66 Heavy Truck - typical US truck picture, strange-looking for Poland, should be replaced eg. with 29168 (Zil-131) or better 29388 (modern Polish Jelcz)

77 HMMWV Trynka AT - there are no variants with Spike and 12.7mm MG. There are used M1045 with Spike only, named Tumak-5, not Trynka https://modelwork.pl/topic/11777-hmm...ojsku-polskim/
Possibly uncovered 98 UKM-2000 CMG could be mounted in need, although there is no such mention...

580, 583 HMMWV Trynka - Trynka was only proposed 12.7mm MG variant. It should be renamed Tumak with 98 UKM-2000 CMG

921 HMMWV [utility vehicle] - utility variant is not armed (especially old SGM MG is not used).


158,159,951 F-16c Jastrzab - F-16C Jastrzab would be better and consistent.


191 Hibneryt-P SPAA - its ZU-23-2 gun should be updated according to 619 ZU-23-2E(K) standard (FC=20, RF=10), with night vision. Used already from around 10/07 (now 1/08)

Ordinary unarmoured 200 Hibneryt also used better ZU-23-2K guns when they were available, but I think that Hibneryt-P would be enough.

581 Irbis - not accepted, sole prototype.


545 Light Truck - picture looks strange for Poland. In fact there were no 4x4 light trucks for 12 men used in Poland (only jeeps or medium trucks). Anyway, since it is used among others to tow Vasilek mortars in the game, the photo could be changed to GAZ-66 32174, used in a small number, and made available from 1/84.


584 Dzik 2 - (class Gun APC Wheeled) - it isn't used in infantry recce units, but exclusively as APC for Military Gendarmerie Special Units (Oddziały Specjalne Żandarmerii Wojskowej), created around the same time. Carry capacity is up to 8. Better photo with ZW markings might be Pm29528. It seems they were used only until around 2015. Nicknamed Dzik-2 'Gucio'. Could be class 23 APC Wheel, which is free in this period.

There could be created such special unit (class Police?), named eg. OS ZW Squad or SpecZW Squad (or section). They were used among others in some peacekeeping duties in Africa. I guess the squad should be around 6 men, armament is mostly #026 wz.96 Beryl SMG and MP-5. I don't know if LMGs are used as a standard.
Photos are eg https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/...6b_o_large.jpg https://zbrojni.blob.core.windows.ne...2/Images/18756
https://zoom.mon.gov.pl/static/zdjecia/IMG_8026.jpg
https://static.polityka.pl/_resource...319e_f1400x900
Picture 29238 of Grom special unit could fit eventually

From 2016 they use Plasan SandCat, named Szop in Poland (carry 8) https://www.defence24.pl/plasan-sand...erii-wojskowej

Also heavy M1151 HMMWV with FRAG armour were used by OS ZW from 2009, with UKM-2000 CMG.
https://modelwork.pl/topic/11777-hmm...ojsku-polskim/

Such HMMWV with FRAG kit were also used as a scout vehicle in Iraq, but I don't know since when (some 2007?)


699 GAZ-46 MAW - SMG MG was never mounted upon GAZ-46, in any country. It had no mountings for any MG.

703 BAV-485 6x6 - as a rule it wasn't armed (there could be the second entry). Polish name was BAW (number wasn't used, and 6x6 is redundant) (btw, number is redundant also in other countries, because its Russian army name was BAV, and factory name ZiL-485)


723 Tarpan Rys - in fact Honker Rys - it was experimental proposal of armed utility car with very limited use in Poland. It's better to replace it with Honker Skorpion, keeping the same similar picture - used in Iraq from 10/04, lightly armoured (sides, maybe lower front, gunner's front), armed with 98 UKM-2000 CMG

726 Zubr - not accepted yet as a scout vehicle. Command vehicle Zubr-WD has been proposed for several years, but I don't know how is its status - few are used at best, and rather unarmed. May be preserved for future use.

752 ODS-LST (landing ship) - armament was #96 30 mm gun, not 14.5mm MG.

843 BTR-60PB - in Poland they were not numerous, and used only by the Police - in case of mobilization they could be used by the Police (#178 class). It concerns only formation 390. They would not be used by the army, especially contemporary WOT light infantry. Only few survived in police service by now.

920 Tarpan Honker [utility vehicle] - name should be just Honker. Picture is Mercedes - could be 29331, 29380, 29386.
It should not be armed apart from special patrol vehicles (see Skorpion above).

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From 2005 there was adopted 12.7mm Tor sniper rifle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WKW_Wilk

That's all as for now.
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[b]77 HMMWV Trynka AT
Pibwl mentioned about about different variants of HMMWV in Polish army so I made some research and forged this into proposition of add-on to Polish OOB.

So what is proposed here

I proposing put this in slots 841 to 869 they are free in spob002

Tarpan Skorpion - polish very light armoured car used as a utility and patrol car especially in Iraq after 2003 and now inside Poland
Lbms Pm29660.lbm&Pm29660.lbm

Tarpan Honker - new lbm Pm29662.lbm

PWA Aero - New polish car for paratroopers first in Polish army which can land with use of transport palette which can be throw from transport aircraft's

LPU Zmija - variant of PWA aero for ground forces used as a patrol car

GAZ-69&UAZ-469&Tarpan Honker used by paratroopers since 1960 they can't land on parachute but were indented to be delivered by helicopters or transport planes.

M-ATV -MRAP from USA in use in Poland

Cougar HEV 4x4&Cougar MRAP&MaxxPro 4x4 they were on loan in Afghanistan equipped in polish weapons used by Polish contingent there after 2014 returned to US army.

HMMWV-MMG(+) also used in Afghanistan until 2009

HMMWV Tumak in different variants used in Poland now usually by Para force but also in other ground units and special forces.

Dana M2 modernised variant of Dana which now starts to be used.

Regina AWD FO - command vehicle for Krab unit

Rosomak AWD command variant also used in Afghanistan

Rosomak MMG simplifier variant with open MG also used in Afghanistan

K9PL Krab - New variant of Krab icon proposed in previous posts

Piorun Team - with nice lbm Pm29687.lbm



Also d'like to propose aircraft's in slots 924 to 949

F-35A JSF - Poland plan to buy them in 2024
Po-2 Kukuruznik - old slow biplane used as ersatz bomber and gunship during fights with post AK underground in 1950's
Yak-11&Yak18
TS-8 Bies - first polish modern coin aircraft build in local factories used for training and in case of war as ersatz AOP and ground atack
TS-11 Iskra - polish main coin small jet used for training and in case of war as a simple fighter-bomber equivalent of L-29 Delfin in rest of Warsaw Pact
PZL I-22 Iryda - ill fated successor of Iskra
M346 Bielik - Modern coin Jet in Polish army
PZL-130 Orlik - simple modern coin aircraft all variants TB TC TC2
PZL-230 Skorpion & TS-16B Grot two most advanced prototypes for indigenous coin fighter-bomber
Mi-6 - also used in Polish army but in small number 3x
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