Poland OOB

[Pibwl]

To finnish with Rosomaks:

681 Rosomak M1 - might actually start at 7/07 (now 8/07) - first uparmoured vehicles entered action in Afghanistan in late July already.

Formations: Rosomak IFV

I've found information about platoon structure and it needs an adjustment, to lower its manpower. The info is taken from one article in Polish "Raport" magazine in 2013 and the other in MOD magazine "Przeglad Sil Zbrojnych" (Armed Forces Reviev) 4/2014, written by a battalion commander (Lt Col).

Current unit 337 Mech Rifle Sec has 8 men - unfortunately, Polish sections carried in Rosomaks have only up to 6 men. It could be 7 only if we artificially split platoon HQ (4). Weapons are correct: UKM-2000 LMG, Pallad GL, RPG-7.

(In fact, the section has 6 or even 5 men, which we should disregard as some abberation The 2013 article says about 5 men, but the battalion commander says "5 or 6", and complains, that the section is "tragically weak" comparing to US one, in terms of riflemen not manning team weapons).

These sections are carried also on BWP-1 (BMP-1), but according to other article in Armed Forces Review 1/2015, sections on BMP are the same. I don't know unfortunately, when 6-men sections were adopted, so 1/100 should remain.

Owing to smaller sections, in Afghanistan Rosomaks were used with only 6 seats to make more room, but I believe we don't need that.


Form. 344 MRV IFV Pl (-) consists of 4 Rosomaks and 4 sections 337. It should be 3 sections and a support section.
The support section consists of:
- 60 mm mortar section (with two men and one mortar #30 - needs new unit)
- 40mm MK19 AGL (unit 097)
I have no idea though, what was used before an advent of Mk19s, which was the first weapon of such class in Poland (they first appeared in 11/07, but for vehicle armament at first, and I also don't know when they were distributed to mechanized infantry).

The article on BMP-1 says, that in a support section it carries five men with 60 mm mortar and 40 mm grenade launcher (presumably rifle-mounted Pallad), so maybe it was the same - and unit 339 Scouts will do? So, there should be earlier Rosomak platoon, until, say 2008, with 60 mm mortar and scouts?

Also from Armed Forces Reviev one might learn, that for "several years", for unknown strange reasons, there are no snipers anymore in mechanized platoons...

BTW: good photos of Polish 60 mm LM-60D mortar are https://www.konflikty.pl/wp-content/...5%BAdzierz.jpg, https://cdn-legacy.defence24.pl/defe...eeccec13ce.png (concerning also unit 508 60mm Mortar Sec)



Form. 339 MRV IFV Pl (+) - similar, but differing in Spike section. In fact, Spike missiles are not used on platoon level in Poland - only in battalion's support company (http://dziennikzbrojny.pl/artykuly/a...e-tylko-zestaw, https://www.jednostki-wojskowe.pl/in...spike&catid=16 )
Therefore, this platoon is redundant (as a result we don't need "(-)" in 344 MRV IFV Pl (-), but on the other hand, there should be some difference in name between mechanized infantry platoon and sole Rosomak platoon 329)

Form. 336 MRV IFV Co is correct (three platoons, no extras).
The first article linked above says, that usually AT section with Rosomak-S and two Spikes is attached to the company, but it belongs to support company structure.
BTW, the photo there shows, that Rosomak-S really has no even a pintle MG... (icon and photo like unit 448 Rosomak CC - the photo is the same btw).


Formations: Rosomak APC
Concerning 217 MRV APC class units: 208,672,673- Rosomak M3, 669,670,671 Rosomak M3M.

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[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

To finish with Rosomaks:

In my dreams......

There is a slight chance I might make adjustments to these formations but only slight

First off there are no spare empty mortar unit classes except Para mortar team which is a normal infantry unit that can be dropped but it is not an indirect mortar formation. It's used for direct fire only

Maybe the manpower has been cut back so they are tiny units and maybe that might change.

http://www.military-today.com/apc/rosomak.htm

says it will hold 2 crew and 10 passengers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTO_Rosomak

says commander, driver, gunner and 8 passengers

and I know as sure as the sun rises and sets whatever I do to try to make that work will be nitpicked because it cannot be made to exactly match "reality"

......so EXPECT to be "disappointed"

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

http://www.military-today.com/apc/rosomak.htm

says it will hold 2 crew and 10 passengers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTO_Rosomak

says commander, driver, gunner and 8 passengers

The latter is theoretical capacity coming from number of seats. The former is... I don't know, there aren't as many seats (I've seen it myself) - possibly planned APC variant with one-man turet.

Thank you for you efforts and dedication anyway.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

The support section consists of:
- 60 mm mortar section (with two men and one mortar #30 - needs new unit)
- 40mm MK19 AGL (unit 097)
I have no idea though, what was used before an advent of Mk19s, which was the first weapon of such class in Poland (they first appeared in 11/07, but for vehicle armament at first, and I also don't know when they were distributed to mechanized infantry).

I can make this work only if it has a start date of 1/2009 so that's when it starts with the 40mm GL and 60mm Mort

[Pibwl]

One more confirmation of Rosomak squad - a picture that was posted recently on one fb group about Polish military. There was also posted an information, that squads really have 5 men, with an option for 6th man from reserve forces... Of course, we should stick with a bigger number.
(Just to explain, the first vehicle has 7 men, with platoon commander and radio operator. "Załoga" is a crew.)

There are no snipers in a platoon indeed, they can be assigned from company level.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

One more confirmation of Rosomak squad - a picture that was posted recently on one fb group about Polish military. There was also posted an information, that squads really have 5 men, with an option for 6th man from reserve forces... Of course, we should stick with a bigger number.
(Just to explain, the first vehicle has 7 men, with platoon commander and radio operator. "Załoga" is a crew.)

There are no snipers in a platoon indeed, they can be assigned from company level.

So....... 5 men... maybe 6 but 7 in the first vehicle

so maybe 22 --- maybe 25 ( maybe )

What is in my OOB now, and that is a formation with 3 Rosomaks and one BWP that includes a 60mm mortar and 40mm AGL for the BWP is ( excluding the vehicle crews ) a troop count of 26 in all four vehicles.

Be happy with that. If not, use MOBHack to adjust your OOB however you like once the update is released ( whenever that might be )

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

So....... 5 men... maybe 6 but 7 in the first vehicle

I'd go just with 6 men in each.