2022 updates?

[carp]

Is it too early to start looking at the Russian kit? During this Playtesting in Ukraine, it appears that perhaps the APS of the modernized tanks may be over-rated, just a little. I can modify the troop quality myself.

Thanks,
Commandante Less Than Zero

[vyrago]

Originally Posted by carp

Is it too early to start looking at the Russian kit? During this Playtesting in Ukraine, it appears that perhaps the APS of the modernized tanks may be over-rated, just a little. I can modify the troop quality myself.

Thanks,
Commandante Less Than Zero

Im inclined to agree on both counts. APS effectiveness needs to be lowered and Russian troop quality as well.

[MarkSheppard]

I wouldn't go so far as to demand active protection system (APS) changes.

I've looked into this myself as I have a Ukraine scenario pushed out.

From photographic evidence of abandoned/captured T-90A Vladimirs in Ukraine, they have been equipped with the Shtora APS Countermeasure system which includes two IR Dazzler/Jammers, plus a smoke grenade system integrated with early warning systems.

This level of APS does NOT include active counter-munitions; and in playtests, it provides protection against Javelin by degrading missile accuracy, but doesn't make T-80s invulnerable.

The Russians have been "testing" next generation APS (Arena-M and Afganit) which include active counter-munitions on and off since the early 2000s; but nothing has been procured in numbers -- I guess we all know where the money for that went, to oligarch dachas and mega yachts.

[vyrago]

I just ran a few quick tests with Javelin vs 10 T-80BVM.

test 1:
18 Javelins fired
12 defeated by APS
5 javelins hit target
3 T-80s destroyed

test 2:
16 Javelins fired
11 defeated by APS
5 javelins hit target
4 t-80s destroyed

test 3:
18 Javelins fired
10 defeated by APS
7 javelins hit target
7 T-80s destroyed


total javelins fired: 52
total kills: 14

overall javelin effectiveness: 26%

I think APS needs to come down a wee bit.