APC Development and related topics.

[blazejos]

BMO-T heavy APC transporter build on T-72 chassis for units of RPO-A "Shmel" Russia build only 10 of them and now some were lost during "Special military operation"


https://en.defence-ua.com/news/russi...aine-4234.html

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

An article on the ACV from earlier today that I just read a short time ago has led me to found out what became of the AAV.

The news isn't good for either platform right now.

Another ACV has floundered making it the 3rd one since July when 2 did the same in July. It has already missed its first OPEVAL deployment which I believe was to have occurred last month. Obviously, this most recent event will further delay this 1st OPEVAL deployment by 2-3 months at least.

In this last incident I'm glad to report all three crew members got out safely.

These deployments are scheduled 2 or more years out at least some much longer depending on platform.

AVC first...
"At 7:45 p.m. on Thursday, Oct. 13 the amphibious combat vehicle suffered an unspecified “mechanical malfunction” during a training operation in the surf zone near Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, California, according to the Marine Corps. The malfunction caused the ACV to roll over. "

"It’s not the first surf-related incident to hit the ACV. A pair of mishaps in July caused the Marine Corps to halt tests and training in the open water. High winds and surf rolled one ACV onto its side while another was taken out of commission due to 8-foot-high waves. No one was injured in those accidents"

That would for the July incidents be a Sea State 5 with the BEAUFORT Scale that ALL Mariniers use worldwide. Both the AAV and ACV are designed to be able to operate in these conditions.
https://www.weather.gov/pqr/beaufort
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ma...75d09abb885616

AAV next...
This situation is an absolute disgrace and dereliction of duty.
If we treated Submarines like these AAV's then over my career it be likely I wouldn't be here now. If you think I'm overreacting just do a "deep read" of the incident and some of you will wonder and though and be grateful that not more Marines had died over the years.
https://news.usni.org/2021/03/25/inv...in-aav-sinking

Based on the above AAV incident the USMC in DEC 2021 has withdrawn the AAV from ALL at sea operations. They are still used currently for land operations ONLY.

Or if you prefer...
"This means that the vehicles will no longer deploy on operations. What is more, they are also being barred from training in the water during exercises." .
https://defbrief.com/2021/12/16/usmc...adly-incident/
https://www.stripes.com/branches/mar...r-4000493.html

What is the "surf zone"?
Surf Zone
Area of water between the high tide level on the beach and the seaward side of the breaking waves.
https://w1.weather.gov/glossary/index.php?letter=s
Depending on the width of the beach and where the high tide comes up the beach, I'd say your GENERALLY looking at about 200yds/183m (Rounded up.) or so.

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

An article on the ACV from earlier today that I just read a short time ago has led me to found out what became of the AAV.

AAV's are getting pretty long in the tooth (they were introduced in 1972) and most took a beating in Iraq/Afghanistan. They really haven't been used amphibiously (other then the occasional training) since they were introduced and since around 2003 till recently not even much amphibious training so crews/unit maintenance have gotten out of practice properly maintaining them for amphibious operations. And I imagine spare parts (particularly rubber hatch gaskets) are probably in very short supply due to the fact that they've been "about to be replaced" several times in the last 20 or so years I don't imagine acquiring/maintaining adequate stocks of replacement parts has been high on the bean counters priority list.

None of this is meant to excuse what's happened merely explain why it may have.

As our resident bubblehead can surely attest, anything going into and particularly under (as AAVs do when they drive off the ship and any time they're hit by any but the most mild wave) the water needs a lot of skilled maintenance on a consistent basis.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I MUST GET READY FOR WORK BUT QUICKLY THE ADF BOXER HAS JUST REACHED IOC AFTER COMPLETING BEACH LANDING OPERATIONS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. IOC AS OF THIS PAST WEEK.

SOURCE SENT ELSEWHERE.

SORRY FOR CAPS-JUST WHERE MY KEYBRD. WAS SET.

GOTTA GO 5MINS AGO!!

REGARDS,
PAT

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well, I'm about an hour late but Happy Halloween! to the Greek Army those MARDER 1A3 IFV's were inducted (FOC) yesterday. Check last Para. for any "tweaks" that might be needed in regard to protection.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...of_greece.html

Regards,
Pat

[MarkSheppard]

The Japan Ministry of Defense has announced today that Patria AMVXP 8x8 has been selected for the Japan Ground Self-Defense Force as their next Wheeled Armored Personnel Carrier 8x8 vehicle under the WAPC programme. The selection includes manufacturing licence of the vehicles in Japan, with a solid contribution to the local economy and technology development securing the supply and service in Japan. The Patria AMVXP 8x8 vehicles will be replacing the Type-96 8x8 Armored Personnel Carrier vehicles which are currently in service by Japan Ground Self-Defense Force.

https://www.patriagroup.com/newsroom...-defense-force

[DRG]

Originally Posted by blazejos

BMO-T heavy APC transporter build on T-72 chassis for units of RPO-A "Shmel" Russia build only 10 of them and now some were lost during "Special military operation"

What these are in MBT are ammo carriers

Their main purpose is to carry 32 RPO-series one shot flame-throwers for use by the 7 Chemical troops they carry and there is a good chance only half of them are still in use.

I will add this into the SHP files for use by scenario designers to swap with an existing ammo carrier




But IMHO it's not worth using one of the few slots left in that OOB for