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October 16th, 2022, 03:07 AM
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Re: Query for Dan and Andy.
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It seems that are no major powers in the modern world. Countries that were considered minor powers years ago are on par with countries that are considered major powers today. Look what happened with the U.S. in the Vietnam War, the U.S.A. was considered one of the most powerful nations on earth, if not the most powerful, and the Vietnamese stopped them cold like a goal line stand in football. Relativity speaking, offensive capabilities ain't what they used to be years ago because most countries have them too.
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Keep in mind Vietnam was micro-managed by politicians. And Westmorland didn't seem to realize a guerilla war requires different tactics/objectives then a conventional one. Lastly the corruption seen in South Vietnamese politicians/senior military commanders was nearly unbelievable.
What is surprising is that it took so long for the politicians to realize it was a lost cause.
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October 16th, 2022, 10:53 PM
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Re: Query for Dan and Andy.
I've actually seen interviews where the Ukrainian Gov't have acknowledged causalities at over +20K.
Everyone has a cell phone and in regard to I believe " STARLINK" Elon Musk he'll continue to eat the 20 million a month and keep the system up. We would call it a business expense he can use as a tax deduction for SpaceX.
I gotta get something else posted elsewhere-Good Night!!
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October 21st, 2022, 10:51 PM
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Re: Query for Dan and Andy.
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. . . Look what happened with the U.S. in the Vietnam War, the U.S.A. was considered one of the most powerful nations on earth, if not the most powerful, and the Vietnamese stopped them cold like a goal line stand in football. . .
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What is surprising is that it took so long for the politicians to realize it was a lost cause.
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Sometime as soon as the word Vietnam is mentioned it seems to me most ppl side slip into an alternate socialist & media created universe. The US military won in Vietnam, they stopped the North Vietnamese invasion and forced the North Vietnamese to the sign the Paris Peace Accords, thus bring the war to an end by the standards of the civilized world. The US military was then withdrawn, and North Vietnam launched a conventional attack, which the South Vietnamese repelled. The North Vietnamese retreated, reorganized and absorbed massive further imports of weapons from the Soviet Union and then launched a further attack. The US Senate then voted to deny South Vietnam the munitions they requested to continue resisting the North Vietnamese invasion. Lacking things like ammunition South Vietnamese units collapsed lacking the munitions the US Senate had denied them. And then the slaughter began. For example, I understand the Montanard, the original inhabitants of Vietnam before the Viet invaded, were almost exterminated. Much of the discussion here has been about political and media creation of perceived truth regarding Ukraine, look a little into the past. OUT
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