Polish and Bulgarian OOBs

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

130 Yak-23 - Polish name is Jak-23.

OK..... does that mean that the other three "Yak"s in the OOB should be "Jak" ?

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

OK..... does that mean that the other three "Yak"s in the OOB should be "Jak" ?

Of course. I think I should have written that before... (English pronunciation is the same as Yak).

One more thing. Digging deeper into 2024 article on MiG-15 in Polish aviation I've just found, that only from 1956 oldest MiG-15s were assigned to attack regiments, replacing Il-10s, and followed by Lim-2 - and only from that moment they were modified to drop bombs...

So, I suggest to keep 131 MiG-15 and 685 Lim-1 as strafers only (the difference is only in name, Lim-1 was Polish-built MiG-15, and Lim-2 - MiG-15bis).
Then, we could add MiG-15 with bombs from mid-56 until around 12/68, and make 687 Lim-2 with bombs available from 1/58 until 12/69 or 12/70.

Or, if you don't want to add new unit and multiply useless strafers, we could keep unit 131 as a bomber MiG-15 from mid/56 until 12/68 (Lim-1 would fit a strafer role a year later - or it could become available from 1/52 and pretend to be a MiG - which it technically was).

Sorry for a mess.

One more thing:
130 Yak-23 - withdrawn from combat units in 8/54 (now 12/56).

[Pibwl]

Speaking of Il-10, there are Russian monograph books from Aviakollektsya 2004 and 2005.

Poland

136 Il-10 - they were gone by 12/59 (now 12/68!) (confirmed also by Polish sources). It's a detail, but first were delivered in 2/49 (now 1/49).
They were always plain green only (icon 3117 would be better, even with Czech(?) markings). The same for unit 952 Avia B-33.
It's worth to add a variant of Il-10 with two 250 kg bombs, without rockets. There could be also a variant with 4x100 kg.

Czechoslovak OOB:
158 Avia B-33 has Soviet icon, should be 3117. A detail, but according to the Russian book, their units were disbanded in 8/60 (now 12/60), the same for 136 Avia B-33.
As for the latter one, to be precise, Czechoslovakia manufactured B-33 with 4 guns 23 mm from 12/51 only, so they could have appeared from 1/52 at the earliest (now 8/50). Before that Czechoslovakia used Soviet Il-10 with 2 guns 23 mm and 2 MGs, delivered from 8/50.

Romanian OOB:
134 Il-10 Stormovik - Romanian Il-10s are also shown in books as plain green. According to the Russian book, delivered in 3/53 and withdrawn in 1960 (now 1/53 - 12/58)

Hungarian OOB:
135, 136 Il-10 Ruszkov, 137 Avia B-33 - the same with colours, always shown as green (examples: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eRwAA...ZP/s-l1600.jpg , https://www.aviationmegastore.com/im...c-176683_0.jpg - and here's a nice photo of Hungarian Il-10/B-33: https://live.warthunder.com/post/441873/en/ ). But Il-10s were Soviet, so they were armed with 2x23 mm and 2 MGs.

Bulgarian OOB:
388 Avia B-33 - since they were Avias, the armament was 4x23 mm. I've found no color silhouettes (Bulgarian ones are quite obscure), though I assume, that Czechoslovakia delivered green ones.

North Korea:
130 Il-10 - they should be armed with 2x23 mm and 2 MGs. Undoubtedly also bomber variants were used.

China:
136 Il-10 - they should be armed with 2x23 mm (now 4). Again, always are shown in a plain green color. According to the book, delivered only from 1950 (now 1/46). Undoubtedly also bomber variants were used.

That's all as for now (unless I find something interesting)

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Poland

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They were always plain green only

Really ?....... Maybe not "always"



And while you are at it define "green" for Polish aircraft for me exactly...RGB












I would say "They were always plain green only" is incorrect and the only thing wrong with the Polish Icon now is that the grey should be ( perhaps......) a touch lighter and have a hint of blue and the pattern more transverse than longitudinal but that's a lot of tiresome nitpicking........isn't it?

[Pibwl]

Thanks for pointing it out to me.
I've found 2006 article (Polish "Lotnictwo z szachownicą" no. 20), which says, that "In Polish literature about aircraft camouflage and markings, Il-10s were presented in a traditional way - top: green, bottom: light blue. This is how our sturmoviks were painted in the majority indeed. But there were found in Poland also aircraft painted in a different way - in a multi color camouflage".
It says next, that part of first series Il-10s had a camouflage typical for Soviet wartime production machines.

As for green shade, there is no closer information, but it was rather darker one on drawings.
Museal aircraft obviously are rather faded (apparently unlike Romanian one https://x.com/misutanasa/status/1097755644357210115 ).
However, the Czech icon is pretty good.