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				January 7th, 2025, 02:28 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 Fixed and tested x3 on last post. But just in case...https://www.janes.com/osint-insights...s-acv-trainers 
Works here also x3.
 
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				January 7th, 2025, 03:20 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 What appears to be in the USMC pipeline is the Amphibious Combat Vehicle 30mm (ACV-30)   AND the  Advanced Reconnaissance Vehicle 30mm  (ARV-30)
 The ARV-30 is currently in the USMC OOB renationalised
 I have added the ACV-30  in the USMC OOB also now renationalised until I get more info
 
 So two entirely different vehicles named with one letter difference.
 One is intended to replace the LAV the other the AAV-7
 
 WONDERFUL idea naming them almost the same............what could possibly go wrong?
 
 
 If anyone finds good data on how many troops each of of these things will carry and IF there is anything like a target date for introduction let me know..( PARTICULARLY the 30mm versions )
 
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 AI Overview 
The Marine Corps' Advanced Reconnaissance Vehicle (ARV) is designed to transport five embarked Marines and a crew of two. The ARV is being developed to replace the Light Armored Vehicle (LAV)
   
This may turn into just "so much fun" getting troops and formations to fit
 
EDIT....... I should go out and buy a lottery ticket. It looks like I only have to bend reality a tiny  bit
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 Amphibious Combat Vehicle 30mm 3 Crew +8 Embarked Marines
 
 
 At first glance it looks like MAYBE I might make this work with minimal "creativity"
 
 That depends on how the 30mm versions are going to be organized with the "normal" ACV's but right now that is a total WAG
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 Fun.........https://www.defense.gov/News/Contrac...icle/3955652// 
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		| Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace, Kongsberg, Norway, is awarded a not-to-exceed $329,000,000 firm-fixed-price, undefinitized contract action for the procurement of 175 medium caliber cannon Protector Remote Turret 20, hereafter referred to as Turrets, for the Amphibious Combat Vehicle Medium Caliber Cannon (ACV-30) vehicles for Full Rate Production Lots 5 and 6. The Turrets procurement includes program management support; tooling development; associated turret hardware, interfaces and software; logistics management information data development; training materials development; technical manual development; and field service representative and training support for integration and fielding. The funding obligated at time of award will procure material and associated services only. The contract action will be definitized on or about Feb. 18, 2025. Work will be performed in Johnstown, Pennsylvania (100%), with an expected completion date of June 4, 2028. |  Some of you have more experience reading US government contracts. IDK where Production Lots 5 and 6 fit into the overall schedule and when I should guess these MIGHT actually get into the USMC  TO&E |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 I *THINK* I have a solution but how close it might be depends on the % of ACV-30's and regular ACV's
 Right now I have a set up with one additional ACV-30 per  ACV Coy which works out to 1:11 ratio
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 Lots 5 & 6  would normally indicate that they were proceeded by Lots 1-4 in earlier contracts for the ACV systems. 
 
Based on your ref submitted, I would think the first of these weapon systems would be rolling off the production line somewhere around mid-2026  to support weapons systems integration for the lot 5 & 6 ACV production line. 
 
No where am I finding manning for ANY  of the troop-carrying versions to be less than 3 Crew and the current USMC 13 personnel platoon.
 
This is accomplished because the weapons systems are mounted above the crew compartment forward of the troop compartment. All the weapons are remotely operated. You can easily see this in the videos and pictures as the troop compartment has a slightly raised roof section behind both the crew compartment and weapons station.
 
"The ACV threshold requirement  for quantity of personnel  
carried is 3 crewmen and 13 embarked infantry with full combat loads, including 2 days of supply and combat essential
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infantry. Due to the placement and number of blast mitigating  
seats, interior space within the ACV is limited, making rapid  
ingress and egress difficult" From ref 1 directly, but also in ref 2.
https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/...mSDJ9FRA%3d%3d https://sgp.fas.org/crs/weapons/IF11755.pdf
 
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 The info I found and quoted in post #694 indicated the 30mm version had the same crew as the standard troop version but a capacity for only 8 troops 
Of course I cut and pasted the info from the BAE link but not the link........... looking for it again now
 
Here it is 
   
I finally got the correct link
https://www.baesystems.com/en-media/...3690293920.pdf
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 https://www.textronsystems.com/products/cottonmouth
That is a 6 wheel vehicle with 2 Crew, 5 Embarked Marines
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				 Re: APC Development and related topics. 
 That intro part of "over the horizon" sounds to me like its EW capability will also include anti-drone jamming/interference equipment as well. Surveillance  of the electronic type especially is as "broad spectrum " in meaning today as is the sensor equipment onboard a vehicle like this to carry out its EW mission.
 
This is clearly of a type of equipment that is a multi-tasker  across the electronic spectrum in EW Ops .
 
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