.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Raging Tiger- Save $9.00
winSPMBT: Main Battle Tank- Save $5.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > The Camo Workshop > WinSPMBT
Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #161  
Old February 10th, 2025, 11:52 AM
DRG's Avatar

DRG DRG is offline
Shrapnel Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: GWN
Posts: 12,617
Thanks: 4,059
Thanked 5,818 Times in 2,870 Posts
DRG will become famous soon enough
Default Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

Drones with RPG warheads will be in the V18 Ukraine OOB and the V18 Russian Extension OOB has a KUB-2
__________________


"You are never to old to rock and roll if you are too young to die".--- What do you expect to be doing when you are 80?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kWt8ELuDOc
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to DRG For This Useful Post:
  #162  
Old March 7th, 2025, 05:56 PM
MarkSheppard's Avatar

MarkSheppard MarkSheppard is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,409
Thanks: 103
Thanked 643 Times in 429 Posts
MarkSheppard is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

Lithuania has formally left the Cluster Munitions treaty:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...espite-outrage

Quote:
The Lithuanian parliament voted to leave the cluster munitions convention last July, but the country had to wait six months after submitting exit documents to the UN for the decision to take full effect.

Lithuania -- a member of both the EU and NATO -- is the first country to leave the convention, which was adopted in 2008, and the first European Union country to leave a multilateral arms regulation agreement.
Poland is making noises about withdrawing from the mine treaty + cluster munitions treaty:

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/48475

Quote:
Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Friday he backed withdrawing his NATO country from a landmark treaty prohibiting the use of anti-personnel landmines as he briefed the parliament on Poland’s security.

Designed to be buried or hidden on the ground, anti-personnel mines often mutilate victims who are not immediately killed, with aid groups decrying their long-term impact on civilians.

The Anti-Personnel Landmines Convention, also known as the Ottawa Convention, prohibits the use, stockpiling, production and transfer of landmines.

“I will recommend a positive opinion for Poland to withdraw from the Ottawa Convention and possibly from the Dublin Convention,” Tusk told lawmakers, clarifying he was referring to treaties on “anti-personnel mines and cluster munitions.”
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MarkSheppard For This Useful Post:
  #163  
Old March 7th, 2025, 07:08 PM
Felix Nephthys's Avatar

Felix Nephthys Felix Nephthys is offline
Corporal
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 130
Thanks: 109
Thanked 68 Times in 40 Posts
Felix Nephthys is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

I for one say good for Lithuania and Poland.
__________________
"Never get out of the boat" Apocalypse Now
Reply With Quote
  #164  
Old April 5th, 2025, 10:56 AM
MarkSheppard's Avatar

MarkSheppard MarkSheppard is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,409
Thanks: 103
Thanked 643 Times in 429 Posts
MarkSheppard is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidha...-mine-warfare/



Russian map showing locations of mines laid by drones on logistics routes around Krynky
RUSSIAN TELEGRAM VIA ROY


Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MarkSheppard For This Useful Post:
  #165  
Old April 5th, 2025, 11:22 AM

Dion Dion is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Saline, Michigan, USA
Posts: 244
Thanks: 196
Thanked 59 Times in 48 Posts
Dion is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

Love it, designing patterns to confuse your opponent is one of the best parts of playing these games in my opinion. Reminds me of designing dungeons for D&D, designed like a maze, with the intention of finding no way out.

On a serious note, if that war is ever concluded, the civians are going to have to get used living in despair until those fields are cleared. Glad I don't live there.

Last edited by Dion; Yesterday at 07:14 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #166  
Old Yesterday, 11:58 AM
MarkSheppard's Avatar

MarkSheppard MarkSheppard is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,409
Thanks: 103
Thanked 643 Times in 429 Posts
MarkSheppard is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

One of the things that jumped out for me is that the traditional model of mine deployment in Steel Panthers (mines only being able to be bought as the defender in an assault/defend game) may no longer work; due to drone-laid mines making it very easy to deploy mines overnight -- granted, these drone laid mines would be very easy to see -- literally on the road surface(s), but there would be so many of them; achieving the objective of slowing down the enemy as they're forced to stop and begin mine-clearing.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MarkSheppard For This Useful Post:
  #167  
Old Yesterday, 08:34 PM
FASTBOAT TOUGH's Avatar

FASTBOAT TOUGH FASTBOAT TOUGH is online now
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Kingsland, GA.
Posts: 2,833
Thanks: 784
Thanked 1,341 Times in 1,002 Posts
FASTBOAT TOUGH is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, that we have to deal with attack drones now, and it is what it is, to possibly have mine laying drones which theoretically you can have untold number of I would believe would change the game's dynamic and the game times being extended.

Baseball a couple of years ago switched to the 30 Second "pitch clock" that has pretty much across the board shorted the game by at least 40 minutes to an hour+ and drove up viewership and improved attendance at the stadiums after slumping in both categories for a few years this was a major plus for the game.

I again would RESPECTFULLY suggest such a move would be like Baseball saying "screw" the fans and who needs television viewership (Which for MLB would equate to a significant loss in profits due to loss in advertising revenue that especially the "poorer" teams rely on from the revenue sharing practices of the MLB.) if they "turned the clock back" so to speak.

It's the best analogy I could come up with "on the fly" in relationship of its significance to that game.

My typical turn count based on our current map size etc. etc. is 25 to 35 turns per game on average over the same number of battles in my typical Campaign.

My buy under such circumstances would be to buy these wonderful drones, mine laying artillery a handful of tanks with some infantry and some SPAA.

My tactics would be to mine the Hell out of the approaches and my flags. My mobile units would be in "safe zones" to respond to any breach or if opportunity allows capture what flags I can AFTER the AI HAS BLOODIED ITSELF or SIMPLY RUN OUT OF TIME.

WE MUST NOT FORGET (2) things about the AI on the ATTACK or MEETING ENGAGEMENT it has one role CAPTURE AND CAPTURE MORE.

I have seen such as a single ATGW team "pop up" and start to capture flags when the AI hardly had a unit left on the map.

When the AI is DEFENDING I've NEVER ONE TIME seen where I've haven't had to clear some fairly or more dense minefields.

It's very SLOW and can be VERY COSTLY and this in OVER 20 YEARS OF PLAYING against the AI.

Been playing this game from its ORIGIN TO ITS PRESENT PRESENTAION and it has always been about TACTICAL MANUVER.

What I feel at this moment is that mine laying drones would put us at a "CROSSROADS" better defined as VERY LOOSLY WWI or more to the point the Ukraine potentially.

I didn't invest all my time and some money to spend half a battle or more to clearing minefields.

Again, that is exactly what's happening in the Ukraine to a large extent.

You're not hearing so much about battles as you are about Drones I.E. this weekend's Drone attack on Kiev.

There is always a Cost and with that there's always a "Cause and Affect" or "Unintended Consequences" that come into play .

And if nothing I posted has any effect on your point of view, take a few moments and look at that Russian map again Mark posted (164) above.

I did and that's why this was posted. My game/RL reaction was OMG what a nightmare that would be.

Was to post this a 3 hours ago however, I never miss CINCLANTHOMEs Pot Roast and a little after dinner chat on my off days!!

Regards,
Pat
__________________
"If something is not impossible, there must be a way of doing it." - Sir Nicholas Winton

"Ex communi periculo, fraternitas" - My career long mentor and current friend -QMCM/SS M. Moher USN Ret..

Last edited by FASTBOAT TOUGH; Today at 12:31 AM..
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2025, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.