OT: Star Trek Nemesis

[geoschmo]

Maybe Checkov was working the night shift that season.

[Urendi Maleldil]

What ever happened to Special Agent Gary Seven and his kind? His super high-tech superiors seem to have disappeared.

[disabled]

Gary seven was supposed to be the first trek spinoff.

The networks felt a series like that wouldn't work - even with an xfiles twist...

[gregebowman]

Originally posted by Hadrian Tyrael S. Aventine:
Just to jump back to the Star Trek two lot whole of chekov, how do we know chekov wasn't on the ship when Kahn was around (maybe a scene that we didn't see). Sulu started as a science office on the ship before becoming the helmsman, same with other cast members that came on after the first episodes were made.

That reminds me of a joke Walter Koenig (Chekov) told about this situation. I don't remember exactly how it went, but it was something to the effect that Kahn was waiting to go to the head (that's the bathroom to you who don't speak navy) and apparantly had to wait awhile. when the door opened, Chekov comes out and Kahn says "I'll remember you".

[Magnum357]

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Sorry, but I don't get it.

[DirectorTsaarx]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Director, regarding Janeway, haven't you ever heard that it's woman's perogative to change her mind?

Good point. But Janeway really took it to extremes... then again, maybe warp travel wreaks havoc on certain biological cycles and Janeway was in a permanent state of PMS (Oops - I meant UMS, or Ugly Mood Swings )...

As for large fleet actions in DS9, what about the fight at Wolf 359 in TNG? Granted, the battle itself wasn't really shown, but the aftermath certainly was. So TNG really set up the concept, DS9 just ran with it...

[Major Tom]

The battle at Wolf 359 had about 40 federation ships engage the Borg, and it was hinted at that this loss of vessels was a major blow to Starfleet. However, DS9 had hundreds of starships lost per engagement but starfleet did not collapse (plus making the borg threat look silly). I could believe that there were hundreds of vessels in Starfleet, as the universe is large, but wouldn't the stability of the Federation suffer with virtually every ship at one part of their territory? The attrition rate of the Federation, Klingons, Cardassians and Romulans was enourmous. It turned into a battle of numbers (i.e., "we lost 400 ships, but destroyed 1000 of theirs" as in DS9) instead of a battle of wits (i.e., "we were heavily damaged but their ship was crippled" as of TOS and TNG).

Wolf 359 was thought of as a major battle in Starfleet history, as all other battles hinted at in the series also revolved around only a handful of ships (the Cardassian war mentioned a few individual ship battles, Klingon/Romulan battles like Khitomer were between less then a dozen total vessels, even in the alternate future with the Enterprise C there was a battle between 5 ships at the end). During the Klingon Civil war, the task force set up under the command of Picard was of around 20-25 ships, all that could be spared to guard this very important region of space. TNG kept ship numbers at reasonable rates and still kept battles interesting, especially when it was down to the attrition of 1 vs. 1.

Even B5 had limits on fleet size, as when the Alliance went to liberate Earth, the Earth Defense force had about 30 or so Destroyers guarding Mars, which is a pretty strong force in that 'universe'. DS9 would have been a lot better had they copied more of the good aspects of B5 instead of just the premise and go on weird and detracting tangents.

[ September 10, 2002, 05:00: Message edited by: Major Tom ]