Defeating the Talisman

[Rollo]

Originally posted by Zanthis:
...Think to yourself: How do I kill a ship that is exactly the same speed as me, has a range of only eight, and will kick my butt if I get into that range.

Hmm, dunno. Might as well quit.

Rollo

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Zanthis:
Think to yourself: How do I kill a ship that is exactly the same speed as me, has a range of only eight, and will kick my butt if I get into that range.

[*]Close to point blank and kick his butt too[*]Avoid his ships and hit his planets instead[*]Get a possy and string him up

Basically everything we've been saying in this thread.

[Skulky]

You all been to http://home.earthlink.net/~petemmer/ ? its pretty good but needs some updating, im just wondering if they guy who started it is still around cause this should be in a new spot called "countering the racials." also what about not gettting any racial and goign like +30 or more in offense and defense and normal bonus' like that? just a thought.

O and as to combined arms:

And I must point out that Combined arms( I have yet to try it) would probably win the day Missile Boats, Fighters, Drones, Beam Barges, And good ole dreadnoughts can probably go head to head with a Talisman fleet. At least that is what my Navel stratgist tell me.

I think unless you had tactical on you wouldn't get nearly as nice results with a few ships, once you start dealing with 20+ ship fleets then you would get pretty nice results IIRC. hummm im just rambling

[Undertakr]

Missle ships are pretty worthless against the talisman, once I see that's how you're going I just make extra PDC's and the talisman hits your missles 100% of the time (and missles usually do weak damage and have delays of more than 2 turns.)

If you go with beam weapons, you have to get close enough to me to where I hit you 100% of the time every single turn (Phased) and even if you have phased shields, I will get through them or I'll use Null Space and definately get through them.

Fighters are the same as missles, you better have a boat load (few hundred) to do any good against a talismaned fleet of dreads. I've had my fleet of 20 talisman dreads take out 60 fighters without blinking. I've taken our 40 dreads and lost 2 ships with my fleet of 23. Talisman thumps and thumps hard.

[Fyron]

Why not stick a Worm Hole Beam on every ship? Spread those Talisman ships all over the battle field, and take them out one by one.

[Phoenix-D]

Undertakr, the Talisman is effective but it isn't everything. Particularlly since you are giving your opponent 110kt over you, if he's smart. 50kt Talisman + 30 Stealth + 30 Scattering + 10 ECM -10 sensors.

See, he can't dodge you anyway.. so he doesn't NEED those extra things. Just sensors. You on the other hand do need them, to dodge his shots.

PDCs are hyper-accurate even without the talisman. so that part is irrelevent..

Or your opponent can just take a page from military history and hit you when HE is ready, not when you are. It's an advantage, not a holy grail (pun not intended)

Phoenix-D

[Undertakr]

Problem is, in a game with 12 players, someone can't remove all their stuff from their ships to just take on a Talismaned fleet. They have to have all the extras to go fight the other races as well. (Or do some retrofitting I suppose.)

Bottom line is, if you don't get your fleet to 20% experience, you don't hit enough to worry a Talismaned fleet at all. 2 of us with Religion have destroyed 9 of the people in our game with a total of 4 fleets. About 90 ships. We have destroyed well over 300 ships and lost about 30 of our own, so the Talisman is quite effective, at least it was in the game we're about to finish up.

The only thing that did quite a bit of damage is the Tacyon Cannon for the Temporals, that hurt me pretty well and the Time Distortion Bursts rocked me too.

- takr