OT - Webpage design

Ragnarok · #1 September 5th, 2002, 04:39 PM

"How do you keep Dreamweaver from messing with your code structure and inserting unecessary tags (font div etc...) all over the place?

I prefer using Adobe GoLive as it integrates with the rest of the Adobe products so very nicely. The Allaire Homepage editor is also very nice. In a collaborative development environment, the snippets that Homepage makes available are very useful."

Simple, I code 90% of it myself. If i don't code one of the tags myself and I let dreamweaver do it, and I don't like one of the tags in there and I view as uneccessary I just simply take it out myself and either leave it out or insert a more usefull tag that could be used to replace it. You mentioned the Div tag. This is becoming more usefull as HTML moves on. I don't use it however for font tags. But I do use it for centering objects on the screen or centering them in a table or layer. I use the <div align="center"></div> tag to center it all up. I used to use the <center></center> tags but they are slowly becoming out of date IMO. I've seen that tag not work in some newer browsers although I cannot remember which one at this moment.

"From personal experiance, I've learned anyone that's paid for a website made in a WYSIWYG editor, well...

They got ripped off. "

Yes, this could be true. But... that's why I don't use that feature of a editor. The WYSIWYG editors can be bad if you only use the WYS part of it. That's why - like I mentioned to Trajan - I code 90% by hand. That way I have more control over what's going on in the page and so forth. Only problem I have with making pages is designed graphics. I stink at them. So most of the time I find a graphics designer that I can hire or something like that...but that's another time, story and another thread.

Trajan · #2 September 5th, 2002, 04:56 PM

I agree with coding 90% of it yourself. The editors (all of them with a few being less offensive than others) tend to put in a lot of garbage that web pages simply do not need.

The WYSIWYG editors are good for locating a particular line or cell of a page, where I can then go in and alter the code to fit my needs. Using the editors to help you develop pages is nice, but using them to do all the developement is a very idea.

Notepad may very well be the best editor of them all.

Cheers!
Trajan

disabled · #3 September 5th, 2002, 05:28 PM

notepad is great, but it lacks some key features I enjoy in a program called textpad ( www.textpad.com ).

I design 95% of all my sites via textpad. Anything beyond that code that is stuff I spend time cleaning out garbage from and formatting it right.

Elowan · #4 September 5th, 2002, 05:53 PM

I teach fellow eye surgeons webpage construction and design. I highly reccomend Homesite 4.01 or 5.

It's a hard-coders friend and only puts in what you want it to. Textpad 4 is okay but is more difficult for occasional Users.

Stay away from WYSINWYG (what you see is never what you get) editors like FrontPage. FP is notorious for putting in spaghetti code that's well-nigh impossible to come back and edit.

Dreamweaver is much better than FP and even has a button to click on to clean out FP's 'garbage cose'. But it's expensive. Homesite is a former Allaire product that has been bundled with DW for ages. MM just purchased Allaire.

There's a freebie HTML editor similar to HS called (I believe) FP2000 (or similar). Check on Tucows.

Don't let the thought of making a webpage in a 'normal' HTML editor scare you off. Once you master the principles and using a 'real' HTML editor, it's not that hard.

I'll be happy to answer email requests for help here (as long as there's not so many as to swamp the boat).

[ September 05, 2002, 16:56: Message edited by: Elowan ]

Ed Kolis · #5 September 5th, 2002, 06:41 PM

"MM just purchased Allaire"???

What would Malfador want with a web software company? More importantly, how could they afford one?

Do you mean they purchased their software?

Elowan · #6 September 5th, 2002, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed Kolis:
"MM just purchased Allaire"???

What would Malfador want with a web software company? More importantly, how could they afford one? Do you mean they purchased their software?

Funny man! I meant MacroMedia.

DirectorTsaarx · #7 September 5th, 2002, 10:07 PM

Notepad? Textpad? REAL programmers use vi to create webpages (mainly because real programmers use UNIX

).

Seriously, one of my coworkers does ALL his coding in vi, not just HTML stuff; he's been coding for more years than I've been alive...