Proportions and Facilities

dogscoff · #1 October 8th, 2002, 09:55 PM

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Now, if I could upgrade each city individually and to the level I desire, I would probably be happy: it's more micro-management than I want, but it pays off in the being "more interesting".

As well as discussing alterations to the Proportions mod, I hope you're sending emails to Malfador requesting improvements to the upgrade system.

Suicide Junkie · #2 October 8th, 2002, 10:01 PM

Quick suggestion:
Upgrades should give you the "how many do you want" menu just like for units!

Aub · #3 October 8th, 2002, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jmenschenfresser:
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If I understand this, your main complaint is the upgrade feature. That you can only upgrade to the highest level? I can see that....

Yes, and the fact that you can only upgrade all facilities at once... and that it does not upgrade them one-by-one, so you cannot interrupt the process. All these limitations combined together produce a very awkward system.

Of course I'd like to see it improved, but in the meantime I'd like to see it worked around in the mods like Proportions, instead of building a complex upgrade tree on top of the poor functioning system.

Aub

Phoenix-D · #4 October 8th, 2002, 11:48 PM

"Of course I'd like to see it improved, but in the meantime I'd like to see it worked around in the mods like Proportions, instead of building a complex upgrade tree on top of the poor functioning system."

I don't agree that removing the possibility entirely is "working around it", really."

Phoenix-D

oleg · #5 October 9th, 2002, 01:31 AM

Aub, taking into account the _very_ long time needed to build even a city, you can research almost all cultural facilities, up to arcology. Thus, if you don't like to upgrade, start to build whatever facility you like on every planet and never bother to upgrade them ! True, you want be able to use global "upgrade" option and go through each planet...

[ October 09, 2002, 00:32: Message edited by: oleg ]

Aub · #6 October 9th, 2002, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by oleg:
Aub, taking into account the _very_ long time needed to build even a city, you can research almost all cultural facilities, up to arcology. Thus, if you don't like to upgrade, start to build whatever facility you like on every planet and never bother to upgrade them ! True, you want be able to use global "upgrade" option and go through each planet...

Oleg, is this a practical advice? I don't think so. Try playing like this in multiplayer...

The problem is that the current system forces you to use upgrades - if you don't, and the other guy does, you lose valuable time and resources.

Plus, the facility parameters imply upgrading - building an Arcology from ground up does not make sense, it will take too long. It is designed to be reached through a series of upgrades. Unfortunately, if you were careless enough to research Arcology right away, you are screwed for good - you upgrade options are severely limited for the rest of the game. Is it a good thing that more research puts you at a disadvantage?

Aub

oleg · #7 October 9th, 2002, 02:51 AM

Yeah, I was just kidding.

BTW, arcology is a separate group - cities can be upgraded only up to metropholis (or megapolis - I forgot). In fact, PvK orininaly did not mod multistate cities - it was our idea (me and others) to have intermediate upgdadable stages. And it certainly made Proportions much more lovely. I would hate to lose multistage colony buildup.