Some new ability i just thought of....

[Lemmy]

In SMAC there were weapons that were considered "atrocities" if they were used, for example nerve gas and planet busters (nukes).

Now what i was thinking of is a component (and facility) ability named "Atroctiy" with the first value indicating how much your relations drop if you use that component.

For example the plague bomb can be considered an atrocity, give it value 10, and for every plague bomb you drop, you're relations drop by 10 with all of the other races you know.
In fact, all pop killing weapons can be considered atrocities, making it harder to just glass all of the planets, unless you're out for war with everyone.

This way a balance could also be found between weapons that should be way more powerful then they are now(CSM is NUKE dammit!), and weapons that are more powerfull then they should be.
CSM could really be devastating, but their atrocity rating may not make it worth it to use them.

[ November 16, 2002, 11:34: Message edited by: Lemmy ]

[Taera]

i had this idea, but i see no use for this in the game.

[TerranC]

I see a use; commit one atrocity and I have good reason to gather a war against you.

[CW]

Who ISN'T a madman when you dedicate yourself to conquering the universe and subjugating everybody?

This abilities maybe useful when playing the AIs, but against human? Emm... who will care?

[Phoenix-D]

"This way a balance could also be found between weapons that should be way more powerful then they are now(CSM is NUKE dammit!), and weapons that are more powerfull then they should be.
CSM could really be devastating, but their atrocity rating may not make it worth it to use them."

When you can throw around antimatter warheads, nukes kind of pale in comparison. Especially in space, where you don't get the benifit of a shock wave.

Phoenix-D

[capnq]

The chief problem (besides it requiring a hardcode change to implement) is that each race should have its own definition of what constitutes an atrocity.

In the Alien Crossfire expansion for SMAC, you can get away with the "minor" atrocities, as long as you don't use them against your own species.

[jimbob]

Yeah,
To me the atrocities are plaguing a planet, blowing up planets (that are occupied, but not the unocupied ones, try implementing anger modifiers for that!) and blowing up stars. Everything else to me is pretty well conventional warfare.

jimbob

[PvK]

So you don't think anyone would be appalled by someone bombing billions of unarmed civillians to dust? Only if they use plague bombs, or split the planet in half? Seems to me the amount of mass civillian death is the main thing that will make civillians outraged...

PvK

[TerranC]

Originally posted by PvK:
So you don't think anyone would be appalled by someone bombing billions of unarmed civillians to dust? Only if they use plague bombs, or split the planet in half? Seems to me the amount of mass civillian death is the main thing that will make civillians outraged...

PvK

Not if your citizens don't know.

In germany, most germans had no idea of the mass concentration camps; even the ones that lived just nearby.

[Quikngruvn]

Originally posted by PvK:
Seems to me the amount of mass civillian death is the main thing that will make civillians outraged...

Assuming, of course, you're talking about Peaceful populations. A Bloodthirsty race may look favorably on what others would consider atrocities. 'Course, a Neutral race probably wouldn't care anyway....

Quikngruvn