.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Raging Tiger- Save $9.00
winSPMBT: Main Battle Tank- Save $6.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Shrapnel Community > Space Empires: IV & V

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old November 27th, 2002, 03:07 AM
Escaflowne's Avatar

Escaflowne Escaflowne is offline
Corporal
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Malden, MA
Posts: 71
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Escaflowne is on a distinguished road
Default Burning question about Strategic combat

I'm playing the Etaru in Enormity and the damn Romulans have just blown away or overrun half my colonies. If I let them dictate the borders, I'm dead anyway since I'll only have my home system and a nebula under my control.

If I fight I'm fighting an uphill battle both ways, in 10 feet of snow, while I'm stark naked. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

But he just sent a carrier transport into one of my systems and in one plent without defenses the fighters sat back and did nothing while the ship dropped troops and took the colony over. In another battle the fighters came in and killed the defenses, only then did the carrier bring in the troops.

My question is what kind of strategy is he using and how can I replicate that kind of sophistication so I can kick his green-blooded behind to the other side of the galaxy? I'm working under the assumption that just putting everything on 'break formation' isn't going to cut this time.

Any help would be nice. Thanks.

[ November 27, 2002, 01:09: Message edited by: Escaflowne ]
__________________
Don't worry. Somewhere, somehow, I'm slowly losing my mind.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old November 27th, 2002, 03:25 AM
PvK's Avatar

PvK PvK is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Posts: 8,806
Thanks: 54
Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts
PvK is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Burning question about Strategic combat

That is the usual behaviour for a fleet set to "Drop Troops (if carrying)". If the fleet has warships, they will fire at planets until it has no weapon platforms, and once they are gone, those warships will move away and the transports will move in and drop troops.

This will occur even if you let your ships break formation and use their own design strategies, as long as at least one troop-carrying ship has the Drop Troops primary movement order. The main requirement is that you have at least one ship with troops on it, and that ship needs to have the Drop Troops primary movement order.

The main exception I'm aware of is you also want to turn OFF the "fire at seekers" options, at least if you want to blockade a planet without attacking it, because otherwise your ships may move themselves into the range of planetary weapons just to take shots at seekers which would otherwise be out of range.

PvK
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old November 27th, 2002, 12:09 PM

dumbluck dumbluck is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: iola, ks, usa
Posts: 1,319
Thanks: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
dumbluck is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Burning question about Strategic combat

IIRC, { this thread } explains a lot about troops.
__________________
dumbluck
CEO, Fortuitous Investments, Inc.
Author: The Belanai Story
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old November 27th, 2002, 11:30 PM
capnq's Avatar

capnq capnq is offline
General
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA
Posts: 3,070
Thanks: 13
Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
capnq is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Burning question about Strategic combat

PvK, that is the most succinct explanation of planetary invasion strategies I've ever seen. Well done!
__________________
Cap'n Q

"Good morning, Pooh Bear," said Eeyore gloomily. "If it is a good morning," he said. "Which I doubt," said he.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old November 28th, 2002, 06:27 PM
Cheeze's Avatar

Cheeze Cheeze is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Parts Unknown, NY
Posts: 295
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Cheeze is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Burning question about Strategic combat

You also want to watch the Capture Planet or whichever strategy for the percent damage on the planet. If you set it too high, you may wipe out more than you wish. I think the default setting is about 10-20%, and even without it being checked the guns often stop once the defenses are gone.

I've watched a couple of my troopships brave heavy fire and successfully land forces. I love taking planets and still having intact weapons platforms!
__________________
I'm about to turn it up a notch!!

Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering ka-boom!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old December 1st, 2002, 06:21 AM
President_Elect_Shang's Avatar

President_Elect_Shang President_Elect_Shang is offline
Brigadier General
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: WA
Posts: 1,894
Thanks: 5
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
President_Elect_Shang is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Burning question about Strategic combat

Quote:
Originally posted by capnq:
PvK, that is the most succinct explanation of planetary invasion strategies I've ever seen. Well done!
HA-HA-HA. I caught that one. let me go rate you a five now!
__________________
President Elect Shang; Tal-Re Republic of Free Worlds
Welcome to Super Vegeta’s Big Bang Attack… Welcome to OBLIVION!
“Don Panoz made an awesome car and… an incinerator” Bill Auberlen
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old December 1st, 2002, 06:38 AM
Quikngruvn's Avatar

Quikngruvn Quikngruvn is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: South Carolina, USA
Posts: 369
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quikngruvn is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Burning question about Strategic combat

Quote:
Originally posted by Cheeze:
[QB]You also want to watch the Capture Planet or whichever strategy for the percent damage on the planet. If you set it too high, you may wipe out more than you wish. I think the default setting is about 10-20%, and even without it being checked the guns often stop once the defenses are gone.[QB]
The default is either 80% or 100% (I can't remember which, but I know I have to drop the setting to get to 20%).

It also helps to set 'Damage targets till all weapons are destroyed' in the Capture Planet strategy. Elsewise, your gunships may keep pounding the planet and glass it before the troop transport gets there. Missile fleets also tend to glass planets more than direct-fire fleets, because of the delay between firing the missile and it doing its damage.

Quikngruvn
__________________
The opposite of war isn't peace... it's creation. --from [i]Rent</i]
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old December 1st, 2002, 09:43 PM
capnq's Avatar

capnq capnq is offline
General
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA
Posts: 3,070
Thanks: 13
Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
capnq is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Burning question about Strategic combat

Quote:
The default is either 80% or 100% (I can't remember which
IIRC, the defaults are 80% for ships, and 100% for planets, fighters, and satellites. I usually turn ships down to 70%, and planets to 50%. Note that turning on "fire until all weapons gone" overrides all the percentages.
__________________
Cap'n Q

"Good morning, Pooh Bear," said Eeyore gloomily. "If it is a good morning," he said. "Which I doubt," said he.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old December 1st, 2002, 10:01 PM
Cheeze's Avatar

Cheeze Cheeze is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Parts Unknown, NY
Posts: 295
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Cheeze is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Burning question about Strategic combat

Definitely excellent advice about missile ships. One of their major drawbacks regarding planets is the lack of control you have as a player for those weapons in strategic combat. If allowed to target a planet, every missile on every missile ship will likely launch at the target. And that makes controlling the damage difficult.

And watch out for the 'damage until all weapons gone' option as well. It is possible that the enemy weapons platform may survive until the very end, causing your ships to inflict heavy damage on a planet you were set on preserving as intact as possible.
__________________
I'm about to turn it up a notch!!

Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering ka-boom!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.