Things you wish they kept from SE3

Atrocities · #1 January 20th, 2001, 03:30 AM

I never played SEIII, so I have to go by what you guys are saying. In your opinions, what was a better game? SE3 or SE4?

Kimball · #2 January 20th, 2001, 03:38 AM

SEIV is a better game, in my opinion. SEIII had a couple advantages in starting tech levels and construction qeues, but the changes made in SEIV far outweight them.

Rambie · #3 January 20th, 2001, 08:00 AM

Yes, SE4 is a much better game than SE3.

We posted the starting techs issue in the Beta forum. I believe it's on the "To Do" list, but isn't going to be easy.

I miss right-click menus too.

We were told the design of SE4 didn't allow for ships and facilities separately.

Rambie

Samurai · #4 January 20th, 2001, 11:55 AM

[quote]Originally posted by rdouglass:
[b]You CAN sentry ships in SE4. You can also clear their orders - that'll also make 'em stop.

You misunderstand. We're talking about a command that would take away the remaining movement for a given ship (or fleet) for *one* turn only.

Zarix · #5 January 21st, 2001, 02:18 AM

The starting techs should be so that you have some amount RPs to use rather than tech levels. That way it would be fair even if someone takes propulsion and other one colonising tech.

Kimball · #6 January 22nd, 2001, 04:31 AM

The starting RP's is a good idea, but I think it would have to be a heckuva lot in order to simulate 50, 75, even 100 starting tech levels. When playing the game at work (not that anyone does that) it helps speed the game up a bit by starting with the things you know you would be researching anyway. I REALLY like the way SEIII had it structured.

Just an opinion, of course.

DirectorTsaarx · #7 January 23rd, 2001, 12:05 AM

rdouglass - Samurai's right, we were talking about the "Halt" command from SE3, which set your ship movement to 0, which meant it stopped appearing in the "next ship/next fleet" series. And clearing a ship's orders doesn't set the movement for the rest of the turn to 0, it just clears the orders and the ship appears in the "next ship/next fleet" series.

One problem with using "sentry" is that the sentry command is cancelled anytime another empire moves into/through the system. This happens even when I set the options to keep the original orders when encountering allies/enemies.

Another problem with sentry, as samurai pointed out, is that it continues until you turn it off; sometimes I just want to ignore a particular ship for one turn.

And finally, sentried ships still appear in the "next ship/next fleet" series (I don't remember if there's an option to turn that off; and not certain I'd use the option if it existed, since I'd probably forget about the sentried ship eventually...)

So "sentry" just isn't the right replacement for "halt". Maybe "halt" could be replaced with a "skip" command. Takes the ship out of the "next ship/next fleet" series, but doesn't zero the movement points.