[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics. - Page 120

Fyron · #**1191** May 1st, 2003, 09:57 PM

Aloofi:
So are you "on the side" that thinks only hicks are patriotic? I am "on the side" that thinks that site's basis of humor (that only hicks are patriotic) is absurd. The only thing laughable is the idiocy of the site's author.

Aloofi · #**1192** May 1st, 2003, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Aloofi:
So are you "on the side" that thinks only hicks are patriotic? I am "on the side" that thinks that site's basis of humor (that only hicks are patriotic) is absurd. The only thing laughable is the idiocy of the site's author.

When did I say that there were only 2 sides?

But I must confess that is irresistable to support anything that piss you off......

Fyron, don't you realize that your totalitarian way of posting your opinions make people to pick on you uncounciousnally?

My position?
I like USA, but I don't like Bush, not even a little bit.
And Patriotism is a very, very dangerous feeling.
Especially for a superpower.

Me, I'm nationalistic, and my feelings for Israel are very patriotic, but Israel is a tiny little country surrounded by enemies that have sworn many times in public to push Israel into the Mediterranean Sea. For us patriotism is survival.
For the USA, on the other hand, patriotism is not a necesity, nor a do or die issue, and more importantly, patriotism in the US have come hand to hand with discrimination of minorities and foreign nationals, and with a shaking of the constitutional rights.

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Fyron · #**1193** May 1st, 2003, 10:16 PM

Patriotism means you love your country. It has nothing to do with supporting the current leaders or not.

rextorres · #**1194** May 1st, 2003, 10:16 PM

Actually I'd say those types of "patriots" are more like NAZIs than hicks. Have you ever seen Triumph of the Will?

You can just replace "USA, USA, USA" with Zieg Hiel.

Aloofi · #**1195** May 1st, 2003, 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Patriotism means you love your country. It has nothing to do with supporting the current leaders or not.

Agreed, but patriotism in the US happens to be a "white only" thing, and probably a "christian only" thing.
But do you know what the scariest part?
What a politician can do with those feelings.

Fyron · #**1196** May 1st, 2003, 10:31 PM

Umm... there are plenty of non-white, non-christian patriots in the USA... maybe not in the deep South, but most of the country is not as racist as you seem to believe that it is.

Aloofi · #**1197** May 1st, 2003, 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... there are plenty of non-white, non-christian patriots in the USA... maybe not in the deep South, but most of the country is not as racist as you seem to believe that it is.

Well, I'm not saying the whole US is racist, but all the outspoken patriots I know or I have seen are conservatives extremists anti immigrants bordering in racism and anti-semitism.
Of course, the ones that know me don't tell me that to my face, but as a white jew I pass very easily as white non jewish, so I happen to hear more than I'm expected to.

Fyron · #**1198** May 2nd, 2003, 12:49 AM

Judge a populace based off of a few individiuals... who is being prejudiced now?

There are a lot of racist liberals, and there are a lot of exteremely tolerant conservatives. The world is not as black and white as you are painting it.

[ May 01, 2003, 23:50: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Cyrien · #**1199** May 2nd, 2003, 01:15 AM

I should add to my post that I am not white. Half-white on the side of not looking white at all. My mother was from Puerto Rico. In addition I would say that I live in West Texas.

Also I would have to add that many of the most patriotic people I have known have not been white at all. In addition I am neither racist nor a conservative. I tend to not like labels such as conservative or liberal etc... You can be conservative in one area and be extremely liberal in another. Oh. And I'm not overly religious. My fathers side is Protestant and my mothers Catholic and I'm Agnostic. So there.

A refutation of someone elses argument.

[ May 02, 2003, 00:16: Message edited by: Cyrien ]

Fyron · #**1200** May 2nd, 2003, 01:24 AM

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I tend to not like labels such as conservative or liberal etc... You can be conservative in one area and be extremely liberal in another.

I fully agree with you there.

You can of course be extremely conservative and extremely liberal at the same time too.