[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics. - Page 137

tbontob · #**1361** May 18th, 2003, 04:49 AM

Hmmmm.....

Maybe the difference is covetousnes.

I want a car. Two choices:
a) Take your car.
b) Earn the money to buy the car.

tesco samoa · #**1362** May 18th, 2003, 05:02 AM

c) lease the car. You never own it. your paying someone to borrow it.

Erax · #**1363** May 18th, 2003, 02:55 PM

d) Get into excessive debt to buy the car.

Loser · #**1364** May 19th, 2003, 02:41 AM

e) embrace an ascetic life-style and understand that there is no car.

Fyron · #**1365** May 19th, 2003, 03:33 AM

Greed is greed. Trying to paint it differently with a prettier name does not change the fact that humans are primarily motivated by greed (self-interest is greed). They have always been this way, and will always be this way.

Aloofi · #**1366** May 19th, 2003, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Greed is greed. Trying to paint it differently with a prettier name does not change the fact that humans are primarily motivated by greed (self-interest is greed). They have always been this way, and will always be this way.

Nah, I don't have any greed for nothing even remotely related with economy or money.
If I'm that way, then i'm pretty sure there must be many others like me out there.
Any form of acumulation of wealth by an individual or group of individuals for personal profit is evil by itself.
Rich people are not nationalists, they don't give a **** about their countries. If something goes wrong, they just invest in another country. The middle class and the poor are the ones doomed to live or die with their countries, because they depend of jobs, they can't afford to lose a paycheck.
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Loser · #**1367** May 19th, 2003, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Aloofi:
A whole bunch of classist rhetoric.

So, rich people only want money, and therefore have no loyalty to their countries?

This is a great thing to say if you want to get the 'poor' people behind you, but it's just not rational.

That's about all I can say about that without getting unkind.

Aloofi · #**1368** May 19th, 2003, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Loser:

That's about all I can say about that without getting unkind.

Thanks.

Rich people don't fight unless drafted, and even then, they try to serve in the National guard Air force.
Can you tell me one single case of a rich guy that didn't flee his country at the time of need?

Oh yeah, I know some, but they are few and far in between.

geoschmo · #**1369** May 19th, 2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by Aloofi:
Rich people don't fight unless drafted, and even then, they try to serve in the National guard Air force.
Can you tell me one single case of a rich guy that didn't flee his country at the time of need?

Oh yeah, I know some, but they are few and far in between.

It would be useless to try to give you examples, your mind is made up of course. But a lot depends on how you define "rich people".

First of all, most rich people are older, or they wouldn't have had time to get rich. I am assuming you are complaining about the kids of rich people as I for one would prefer not to have the military made up of a bunch of middle aged and older Mister Magoo's and Thurston Howell's.

And you are going to see fewer son's of rich people in the service then you will son's of non-rich people if for no other fact then there are more non-rich people then rich people.

So the question is are rich people's sons represented proptionally to the overall population. I don't know if they are or not. I don't have any stats on that. It wouldn't suprise me though if they weren't. Typically rich people have higher levels of education, and I have seen statistics that show non-college educated are more proportionally represented in the armed services. Although that may not be true anymore, at least in the US. Probably still is though, and it very likely is true in other countries.

But your comment is pretty ridiculous cause their have been numerous examples of sons and daughters of rich people in every war ever fought.

Geoschmo

[ May 19, 2003, 16:28: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Aloofi · #**1370** May 19th, 2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
But your comment is pretty ridiculous cause their have been numerous examples of sons and daughters of rich people in every war ever fought.

Geoschmo

Yeah, I don't doubt it, but as you said, the thing is if they are represented proportionally.

Besides, my point is that they flee if the country crumbles, because their only loyalty is to their money.
And by the way, I see that in every country, not just in Israel and the US, but especially in 3rd world countries.

Its not a secret that the world richest have many interests in the US, but now that the US economy is fked they have moved on their money to Europe and some Asian countries, and have changed the dollars into Euros.
The same happened in Israel when the 2nd Intifada started, with far worst consecuences.
And I bet you are not gonna find any Argentinian rich in Argentine, nor a Venezuelan, or a [insert any nationality with economic problems]

And this is in a relative peace.