[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.

[Alpha Kodiak]

Originally posted by Aloofi:
Yes, of course I agree that a solution must be found. But the truth is that I don't have any real hope for a peaceful solution, at least with the current generation. So that's mean that I don't have an answer. We are in a big deep hole and I don't see a way out. And I'm telling you, is not just pessimism, is the reality i see on the field.

I fear that you may be right in this. This is a conflict that is rooted in the history of both Arab and Israeli, all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael. I find it hugely frustrating that every time a movement towards peace begins, the Palestinians pick up their bombing campaign. Clearly, their leadership does not want peace. Then, Israel responds to the attacks, sometimes even-handedly, sometimes in (in my mind) understandable overreaction, and Israel gets blamed for being too violent. I just don't get it.

On a side note, I found this link and thought it was funny that, as much as you don't like Bush and think he is taking a pro-Arab stance, this author doesn't like Bush and thinks he is taking a pro-Israeli stance. (Note that I do NOT agree with what he says, I just find it amusing that both sides feel that Bush is on the other side.)

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:

On a side note, I found this link and thought it was funny that, as much as you don't like Bush and think he is taking a pro-Arab stance, this author doesn't like Bush and thinks he is taking a pro-Israeli stance. (Note that I do NOT agree with what he says, I just find it amusing that both sides feel that Bush is on the other side.)

That link is full of crap. We don't get 5 billion a year, but only 1.2, which is still a lot, but is less than the 2 billions Egypt gets. Of course, proportionaly we get more because Israel have 5.8 million population and Egypt have about 100 millions or so.

I'll tell you why. A couple of minutes ago I was sent a photograph from the Reuters News Agency that showed a seven-year-old boy laying dead on the ground. The caption read, in part: "A neighbor watching 20 meters away on his balcony told Reuters that an Israeli tank crewman had beckoned a group of children to approach his vehicle, and Mahmoud was then gunned down by four bullets of the tank's machine gun when the party came near."

This is pure Palestinian propaganda. You probably remember when they claim 5000 masacred in Jenin, and they consider part of their war to desacredit Israel with any lies that they can get away with, and justify that saying that Israel have tanks and planes and they don't. Basicly, I don't believe one single word that comes from the Palestinians. For them lying is a weapon.
Check out this link: Mohammed al-Dura

Then, one day as I sat at a table for a radical group in front of the University of Maryland Student Union, some rather menacing college students came up and asked me why I had literature supporting the Palestinians on my table. I began to explain that the Palestinians deserved a hearing when suddenly I was struck in the chest by one of the students. It turned out that these guys were members of the Jewish Defense League.

The Jewish Defense League's party in Israel was declared illegal by the Israeli goverment, and their HQ in the US were taken over by the FBI.
Still, this guy story looks to me like inventing something using an already bad name, so everybody will believe it, but since this guy have already said several lies, and hidden several truths, I don't belive this story, though it could have happened, I'm not gonna tell you is impossible that it happened. Using the the JDL to show how bad Israel is, its like using the KKK to show how bad the US is.

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[ May 29, 2003, 14:08: Message edited by: Aloofi ]

[teal]

Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
At least Bush doesn't claim to have created the Internet....

Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. I can't find the article which went case by case on all of Gore's so called lies from the Love Canal one to the Love Story one and showed conclusively that he was misquoted and taken out of context in every single one. Exactly what you claim to be against in your post. Let's keep the hypocrosy down to a dull roar shall we...

[Alpha Kodiak]

Originally posted by teal:

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
At least Bush doesn't claim to have created the Internet....

Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. I can't find the article which went case by case on all of Gore's so called lies from the Love Canal one to the Love Story one and showed conclusively that he was misquoted and taken out of context in every single one. Exactly what you claim to be against in your post. Let's keep the hypocrosy down to a dull roar shall we...

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That was my point.

[teal]

Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:

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Originally posted by teal:

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
At least Bush doesn't claim to have created the Internet....

Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. I can't find the article which went case by case on all of Gore's so called lies from the Love Canal one to the Love Story one and showed conclusively that he was misquoted and taken out of context in every single one. Exactly what you claim to be against in your post. Let's keep the hypocrosy down to a dull roar shall we...

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That was my point.

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My apologies then...

[Loser]

If you can find that article, or other similar sources, I'd love to read them. My beef with Gore has little to do with his verbal blunders.

[edited to remove moot point]

[ May 29, 2003, 15:39: Message edited by: Loser ]

[Aloofi]

[teal]

Originally posted by Loser:
If you can find that article, or other similar sources, I'd love to read them. My beef with Gore has little to do with his verbal blunders.

[edited to remove moot point]

I can't remember where it was. Salon, The New Republic, *maybe* The Nation although then I would have probably been predisposed against it more... (all these are somewhat left leaning publications to varying degrees (possible exception of The New Republic in recent years), but then you would hardly expect a right wing publication to publish a defense of Gore...).

I tried doing a Google search, but that was a nightmare!

[dogscoff]

Just to remind anyone who hasn't looked at it in a while or who has never seen it: The blog from Baghdad. It's been infrequent lately, but really interesting.

[geoschmo]

What Gore said: (click the quote to read the entire interview with Blitzer)
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."