The Joys of Overzealous Moderators

[parone]

i was not really defending shrapnel. i was just pointing out why i think they made the wrong call here. many good points/suggestions have been brought up, but they are only applicable if someone is paying attention.

[Anaconda]

I was wrong, it is still up :/

[Soyweiser]

regarding the competence of shrapnel. The whole buying frontend could also use a huge makeover. The defaults are bad, and you have to perform a huge amount of clicks before you can buy something. This is very bad for business. Just improving that site would probably increase their conversion rate a lot. (Funny thing, for games that have multiple OS version, mac is chosen first. No auto-detection takes places. (Shrapnel, either pick windows as default (lets be honest, most games will be sold for windows) or get the browser version and make an educated guess.

I already pointed this stuff out before. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...68&postcount=2

*crickets*

[Foodstamp]

Originally Posted by Fantomen

That's a compliment I think. ****nel treats person x like **** - community turns into support group for person x, hard to see anything wrong with that.

I don't believe that is an accurate translation of what I said, but you're welcome to take it as a compliment.

I'm a little disappointed that you seem to be out to get Gandolf and ChrisP, which would give them 0 options for community since I am pretty sure you guys are not going to accept them with open arms.

I don't see any issue with the multiple accounts, even the ones the banned guys use to post here, I think banning people is kind of dumb anyway unless they have gone through an infraction system or they created an account to simply break the FCOC.

That being said, I love your avatar and that trumps anything you say on the forums that I would disagree with.

[Fantomen]

Originally Posted by Foodstamp

I don't believe that is an accurate translation of what I said, but you're welcome to take it as a compliment.

What is an accurate translation then?

I'm a little disappointed that you seem to be out to get Gandolf and ChrisP, which would give them 0 options for community since I am pretty sure you guys are not going to accept them with open arms.

Gandalf is constantly referring to "other" mysterious dom3 communities, so unless he's lying he seems to have plenty of options. Chrispedersen has the option of going back to his old account, as well as joining other forums. And dom3mods welcomes everyone, including Gandalf and Chrispedersen, we just happen to insult everyone as well, if you can take some abuse you'll be fine there. In any case I'm not out to "get" anyone, I just want people to stand up honestly for what they do, and the moment they do all sins are forgiven. Besides, banning Gandalf would also be bad for the community since his server is great for setting up blitzes.

Calling them out for their multiple accounts is to show the hypocrisy in banning other major contributors thoughtlessly. If we can overlook the faults of some, and we should, then we could also forgive the faults of Calahan and Sombre.

Most of all I want Shrapnel to appoint mods from within the community to handle things, to avoid ****ing things up whenever they go on a crusade to promote "harmony".

I don't see any issue with the multiple accounts, even the ones the banned guys use to post here, I think banning people is kind of dumb anyway unless they have gone through an infraction system or they created an account to simply break the FCOC.

Exactly, banning people is dumb, which is the whole issue in the first case.

That being said, I love your avatar and that trumps anything you say on the forums that I would disagree with.

I guess I'll take that as a compliment as well, since that avatar is me.

[momfreeek]

Originally Posted by Fantomen

Calling them out for their multiple accounts is to show the hypocrisy in banning other major contributors thoughtlessly. If we can overlook the faults of some, and we should, then we could also forgive the faults of Calahan and Sombre.

Different cases of breaking different rules by different people were treated differently. The difference seems to be that shrapnel value contrition over contributions. I agree this is not good for the health of the community but its not hypocrisy.

If you have something to say in Calahan's defence its best not surrounded by an argument that ignores everything shrapnel say and mostly involves attacking someone else.

[Foodstamp]

Originally Posted by Fantomen

What is an accurate translation then?

Gandalf is constantly referring to "other" mysterious dom3 communities, so unless he's lying he seems to have plenty of options. Chrispedersen has the option of going back to his old account, as well as joining other forums. And dom3mods welcomes everyone, including Gandalf and Chrispedersen, we just happen to insult everyone as well, if you can take some abuse you'll be fine there. In any case I'm not out to "get" anyone, I just want people to stand up honestly for what they do, and the moment they do all sins are forgiven. Besides, banning Gandalf would also be bad for the community since his server is great for setting up blitzes.

Calling them out for their multiple accounts is to show the hypocrisy in banning other major contributors thoughtlessly. If we can overlook the faults of some, and we should, then we could also forgive the faults of Calahan and Sombre.

Most of all I want Shrapnel to appoint mods from within the community to handle things, to avoid ****ing things up whenever they go on a crusade to promote "harmony".

Exactly, banning people is dumb, which is the whole issue in the first case.

I guess I'll take that as a compliment as well, since that avatar is me.

More accurately, I was just making fun of the people on the other forum because often it just seems to be a podium for them to disparage other people. Ironic I know.

Beyond that, I think we agree; I hate to see anyone banned from the forums, unless real life threats or attacks (releasing personal information etc.) are involved.

I thought your avatar was a picture of an actress from the black and white movie era. You have a very classic beauty.

[Fantomen]

Originally Posted by momfreeek

Different cases of breaking different rules by different people were treated differently. The difference seems to be that shrapnel value contrition over contributions. I agree this is not good for the health of the community but its not hypocrisy.

If you have something to say in Calahan's defence its best not surrounded by an argument that ignores everything shrapnel say and mostly involves attacking someone else.

First, this story has a background over years, if you don't get what it is we see as hypocrisy i can't help you. Second, there is no contrition to value over anything else in any of the cases.

I appologize to the community for feeding this troll, he's skilled at it and I fell for it, **** like that always makes me feel dirty.

[momfreeek]

As for contrition, that was the message I got from shrapnel (that they didn't think Calahan was likely to "reform" or somesuch).

Perhaps shrapnel will understand your position, but I don't. good luck.

I apologise for getting angry. I'm not helping the matter either.

[Edi]

Seems that my absence of a couple of months for various reasons has been supremely ill timed. I will need to check in on the whole issue before weighing in any more than that, but if anyone cares to point me in the direction of the relevant threads, please provide links.

I will get back to this tomorrow, it's past midnight here already and I've got to go to work in the morning.