[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.

[tesco samoa]

its ot land for iraq, war and politics.

I wish thermo would come back and post some stuff. Enjoyed his links but not his barbs

Here we pay 26% income tax, plus a percentage towards Pension and UI.

Sales tax is 15% on everything except for unprepaired food. ( 7% goods and service tax, 8% provinical )

Even taxes are taxed.

Some times it bugs me when time are tight. But I do not want to lose the standard of living i am used to. And I do not want others to lose that standard as well. So I pay the taxes and just complain about it once or twice a week.

I would perfer if it was spent properly. As it looks like a good 30 to 40% is just wasted ( nooah stats numbers out of a hat, please i hope i made that up cause it sounds cool ) on commisions, digging holes in toronto and then filling them back in.

I will be interesting to see how our economy goes in the next few years. As we have not been hit by the recessions that hit the USA. ( THough our bosses at work like to tell us were in a recession, we ask for the proof and they state that it is in the news... So we now carry the figures for the Canadain Economy and pull it out at meetings ... Were not liked too much by the flying circus ... but i go off on a tangent )

End this now before I actually post something that makes sence. I do not want to scare GEO.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
The defecit is not actually an issue. Most of it is in the form of bonds that can and will be repaid in time. What is more of an issue is yearly spending compared to yearly revenues. The old debts get paid off and replaced by new debts. It is how the economy works.

Some "services" that need to be cut are obsolete programs that are no longer necessary. There are numerous programs dating from the Great Depression that only serve to waste money now, but are still in operation, such as the program that was made to try to help farmers hit by the "dust bowl"...

You are confusing terms. The Debt is how much is owed total, and the defecit is the annual excess spending over income.

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I thought I had typed debt there. Oh well.

Rex:

People like Fyron just want to bankrupt the government so that it has to cut everything.

Now that is an outright lie and is approaching slander. I neither said nor implied any such thing. You (and people like you) are the reason I do not like getting into these sorts of discussions.

[ September 17, 2003, 04:11: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[rextorres]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Taxes are way too high to begin with... everyone needs a big tax cut.

Essentially more tax cuts WILL bankrupt the govt and you did say the govt should cut "obsolete" programs. So where's the slander?

Just because people "like me" point out holes in your logic you shouldn't take it personally.

[ September 17, 2003, 04:35: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[Phoenix-D]

"Essentially more tax cuts WILL bankrupt the govt and you did say the govt should cut "obsolete" programs. So where's the slander?"

Obselete is a far cry from 'everything', and he did cite an example of a farm program that was designed to help them recover from a problem that is long since over, yet the program keeps on going.

[rextorres]

So I am guilty of hyperbole. Sue me!

The current popular theory amongt "govt program cutters" is that the only way you'll get real cuts is if you bankrupt the govt. Even if Fyron doesn't explicitly say this - his Posts do lead one to believe that he agrees with this at least partly.

If Fyron is really a "Tax and Spend" liberal being a devil's advocate then I appologize.

[ September 17, 2003, 05:01: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[Fyron]

Thank you P-D.

There are no holes in my logic, I just did not post all of it because these sorts of discussions get nowhere. The slander lays in making blanket statements about me that are far from true and based off of very incomplete evidence.

Hyperbole does not work at all here, as hyperbole is overstatement, not stating something else entirely. The difference between obselete and everything is much more than just one of scale, so it does not qualify as hyperbole.

[Fyron]

The current popular theory amongt "govt program cutters" is that the only way you'll get real cuts is if you bankrupt the govt. Even if Fyron doesn't explicitly say this - his Posts do lead one to believe that he agrees with this at least partly.

Only if you want to make great leaps of logic.

[Alpha Kodiak]

Originally posted by rextorres:
People like Alpha Kodiak would rather mortgage their children's future and collect an extra measly $400 per child now and let those same children pay multiple times over this amount in interest payments alone when they pay taxes.

It's good to know that you are watching out for my best interests, since I am part of the great unwashed and am incapable of understanding my situation. I obviously need someone of far greater intelligence and judgment to tell me what I should believe.

It is interesting that since you lost the argument of Bush lying about the tax cuts, which was the original point of this subthread, you shift gears to the rather tired "you don't care about the future" attack. Obviously, I am an awful father who would sell his children into slavery for next to nothing. Or, of course, there is the chance that you have no clue what you are talking about.

[rextorres]

Huh!!?

AK

Let's start again.

Bush claims he want to cut taxes for the working class. Well MOST people who work make less than 25k a year. You got that!!

MOST of their taxes are in the form of the payroll tax. Look at your check stub sometime if you don't know what that is - obviously you don't.

ALSO most of these working people pay minimal or no income tax. So they could not have gotten an income tax cut or a miniscule tax cut at best.

BUT their payroll tax didn't change one penny - is that clear?

So they didn't get an income tax cut and they are still paying the same payroll tax. Not to mention we all pay excise tax for pumping gas, and using the phone (read your phone bill sometime).

If most working people didn't get a tax cut and are still paying the same tax they've always paid how can you say that Bush wanted to give a tax cut to the working class and is not lying about that. Am I missing something here - or do you just not get it?

Since you obviously don't understand govt accounting ALL tax is lumped into one general fund so even though the payroll tax is supposed to go to Social Security and Medicare it is being used to fund the war in Iraq or something.

Also it is evident you don't care about the future because you support a tax cut that your children will have to pay back in spades so that you can consumer spend or something - what's so tired about that argument?

[ September 17, 2003, 06:14: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[Alpha Kodiak]