US OOB 12 corrections/suggestions (v.6)

[Pibwl]

I've found in "Sherman in action", that there were applique kits of 1in plate for Shermans fronts (with new hulls) introduced late in the war (early 1945 or even earlier).

[cbo]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

There could be also added late-war M4A3(75) and M4A3(76) with sandbags on hull's front and sides, which were quite common sight (from around August 1944?). There is already a drawing pm27729.lbm of such M4A3E8.

Michal

Problem with sandbags is that it works something like ERA - i.e. it protects against the first hit, but is blown apart and away, leaving the tank with only the main armour to deal with the next rounds. Dont know if the game engine can handle that type of protection?

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by cbo

Problem with sandbags is that it works something like ERA - i.e. it protects against the first hit, but is blown apart and away, leaving the tank with only the main armour to deal with the next rounds.

Maybe not exactly. First, the next hit would have to be in the same area. Secondly, I believe, that a thin HEAT stream makes a hole in a sandbag, and then loses its energy on sand inside. Some sand spills through the hole, but sandbags from above should drop a bit lower then, filling a gap.

Michal

[DRG]

We are not modeling sandbag armour.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

We are not modeling sandbag armour.

As you wish. Although I think, that they technically work like skirts on German tanks, adding a bit to HEAT resistance, and they were common on US Shermans from late ETO (example: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7158/6...f7689a78_z.jpg )

Michal

[Mobhack]

Search the forums, as we already have discussed sandbag "armour" and why it is not going to be implemented - about 2 years back I think.

Andy

[cbo]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Maybe not exactly. First, the next hit would have to be in the same area. Secondly, I believe, that a thin HEAT stream makes a hole in a sandbag, and then loses its energy on sand inside. Some sand spills through the hole, but sandbags from above should drop a bit lower then, filling a gap.

The jet is not the problem - it is the huge bang when the HEAT round goes off. While part of the explosive force is directed, the rest is not. The secondary effect is considerable.
German tests vs add-on-armour in WWII showed that a 75mm HEAT round could shatter armour plate and rip the mounts apart, so even that would only be a one-shot-protection.

Rather than a little hole in one bag, you would have the entire side or front of the tank stripped of bags, leaving large areas unprotected.

Try looking up some HEAT detonations on the web to see the effects

Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y_WAOp8WMA

[Pibwl]

A minor issue:

120 P-51B Mustang - it should be in fact A-36A Apache variant, used during Sicily landing (P-51B came to Europe from 10/43 only). This variant was armed in 6 instead of 4 x .50 MGs.

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[Pibwl]

As I wrote in Polish thread, P-51D Mustangs should have speed =8 (now 7)

[Pibwl]

Disregard remarks on aircraft speed

340 MHarrington T16 - correct name is Herrington (maybe M-H?). It should have single-tuuret icon (maybe 998 of Pz I, with turret also on the right, and same color). Same for 209 in USMC OOB.

112 M2A2 "Mae West" could have winter icon 4235 and desert 4232.

Michal