X2 the Threat doesn't trust you

[Lazarus]

I remember the first game so im not eager to rush out to the store for this one regardless of what is said

[pathfinder]

Currently playing the game.

Decent but a bit buggy. Manual is worse than the original for SEIV. Only 1 patch *shrug*.

Decent game IMHO...better than X:Beyond the Frontier (1st one in the series).


As for the forum bit....Star Wars Galaxies had something similar done after going live. Guess I don't see anything strange about the registration requirement.

[ January 12, 2004, 03:39: Message edited by: pathfinder ]

[Puke]

my god you're wiggy.

"you didnt read my message"

"no, YOU didnt read MINE!"

good god, if the support forum is closed, ask somewhere else. I tell you TWICE to check the general forum, you ignore me both times, and the second time you ignore me, you even manage to QUOTE me telling you to do it.

Im not sure if you honestly dont understand the difference between the closed support forum and the open general forum, or if you are choosing to ignore that option, or if you are just so in love with being upset and having something to ***** about that you dont want to explore other possibilites.

I cant really help you more than that. If you dont want to go to their general forum and ask all the people playing the game what its like, then you just wont be able to buy it. I can understand not wanting to throw money away without some information to make your decision, but youre totally ignoring a simple and easy method to gather that information.

Its really no skin off my back, but its sort of frustrating seeing you incite an otherwise rational bunch of people into fearing and hating what by all accounts is a good game in a niche genere, from a small publisher whom should probably get more press. sort of like Shrapnel. I mean, the rational thing to do is to head over there and ASK about the game, not give up because you cant access ONE forum out of FOUR.

But instead you have convinced everyone that this is the next moo3, and you managed to do it with nothing but a request for blind faith that there is a conspiracy. congratulations, you should try a career in politics or religion.

[Unknown_Enemy]

Now let's come back to your argument :
If I want to juge this game's polish and playability, I should just read the out of topics threads in the general forum, or lurk in the spoiler forum to do the same (too bad for me if I wanted to play the unspoiled game). Oh, and don't ask for a demo, there is none.

Like it or not, but when I had access to the Tech support forum, it was really NOT OBVIOUS that the out of the box game was playable. In fact it was not for a lot of people and the interface was creating quite a stir. Now that forum is on restricted access, I bet I'll find someone who'll explain me how wonderful it is even if he hasn't played it.

Count on me.
Oh, and you obviously haven't noticed, but I did post my opinion on Egosoft's general forum just before I started this thread. Let it be clear for all : brosing the general forum is not enought to evaluate this game.

I don't care if it is a small publisher or a megacorp, if a company publish crap, they just deserve to close. So far, Shrapnel is publishing games like SE4, or like Dominion2 (which is now on second printing, first one has quickly sold out ! ) And you know what ? I was able to read Dominion2's bug list and technical problems before buying it.

Problem here is that X2 have potential, could be a bLast for an Elite fan like me, but this company is hindering my habilities to evaluate their software. Which is both suspicious and frustrating.

At Last but not least : and I am "wiggy" ? That was a thin line from name calling, which should be best avoided in a SE4 forum. If you need to get to name calling, then mail me, and I'll ignore you all the same.

EDIT
***First Version was quite harsh, and has been heavily edited after reading Atrocity's "Read Me" thread.***

[ January 12, 2004, 11:35: Message edited by: Unknown_Enemy ]

[Puke]

yes, i am immature and calling you names. it is very low of me, and i am a very small person for doing it. I appologize for my poor behavior, and I would like to publicly acknowledge that I am most likely the least civilized person on this wonderful forum (no sarcasim! this is the best forum on the net!), and I am ashamed to sully it with my presence. Whatever the harsh form of your original post was, I am sure that I deserve it. I am a poor excuse for a human being,

That said, let me be perfectly pointed: i find your lack of resourcefullness apauling. i believe that you are simply looking for something to be upset about, because it generates a sense of purpose. it is a common passtime that i have observed many people engaging in, and it gives me generally unclean feelings about our species.

you dont have to just lurk in the general forum, you can ask questions there. you can talk to people about what the bugs are, and you can have your concerns directly addressed. No, I have not spent alot of time reading their forums or posting in them. Maybe the game sucks. I would LIKE to think that its a good game, I WANT it to be a good game, but maybe its not. I cant say.

but I CAN say that there seems to be alot of blind finger-pointing going on. I read around a bit, and it seems like you did post the same complaint over there, but I cant find where you actually asked anyone in the general forum about the game or about its bugs. I CAN find threads from other posters which talk about graphics performance, throttle controll problems, and a general happyness with the 1.1 patch. I can even find the 1.1 patch history, which outlines the bugs which were fixed.

This does not mean its a good or bad game, it just means that you're not very resorcefull, and will resort to complaining and fearmongering at the drop of a hat.

With regards to Malfador, SE4, and Shrapnel, their ongoing support has been superb. But there was never access to the beta thread which had discussion of the upcomming patches. Through the first year of the game, it was unforgiveably buggy and some people felt that it simply did not work as advertized. This very forum was full of people whom have long since abandoned the game. We all stuck through it because we loved the genre, and were fairly confident that MM would fix the problems given time. Perhaps egosoft's support forum is not quite the same as our beta forum, but the principal is the same: It might be worth giving them the same benefit of the doubt that we give MM, as their hard-core followers from X and Xtension seem to be very similar to the followers from SE1 thru SE3.

But regardless of all of that nonesense, it really comes down to two simple things. First, if you really want to know about the game, there are some fairly easy ways to gain that knowledge. Second, if you simply disagree with their choice to close their support forum, and the rest is just a shallow arguement to support that objection, you should probably send your complaints to their developers. Their dev team has already posted their reasons for closing it, and it looks like the forum posters are 50/50 for or against that decision.

Maybe if you pointed out how much bad press it is generating for them, they would be willing to post a bug list or some sumarized Version of events on that forum, if not make it read-only.

in short, airing your complaints here is a shallow act of retribution for an action that you dont personally agree with. and its embarassing to see.

Before you add reinforcing arguements to your complaint, you should know that I dont agree with their decision either. It seems pretty stupid, and is getting them alot of bad press. like this. But if I REALLY wanted to know about the game, I know where I could go to ask. And if I was irriatated enough to raise a stink about how bad I thought their decision was, I probably would find a way to do it that didnt slander their company or their product. Im not saying that you should take a dive so that more Elite-like games might be published, im just suggesting that maybe this isnt the best place to air the laundry.

[Unknown_Enemy]

Originally posted by Puke:
your lack of resourcefullness apauling...
you are simply looking for something to be upset about, because it generates a sense of purpose....
it just means that you're not very resorcefull and will resort to complaining and fearmongering at the drop of a hat....shallow act of retribution...

Arguing with you is a loss of time.
Pal, do me a favor, go bother someone else.

[Puke]

Its really not, but I can agree to disagree. You think you have a valid complaint, I think you might have a valid complaint, but are going about it the wrong way. Fair enough, it's done with.