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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
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Originally posted by geoschmo:
As I understand it, the problem originally was shield depleters used against units would do normal damage. And under those circumstances Ed would be right, the small shield depleters would rock as troop weapons. But I believe that with 1.84 that was fixed so shield depleters fired against units only deplete the shields instead of doing normal damage.
Although I could be incorrect. Ed, have you tested this to see if it still does what you are saying?
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No, I haven't... testing stuff in SE4 takes so long to set up, and if you don't go about it the long way (i.e. set up 2 empires in a human-vs.-human game) it won't always work! 
Now I had been noticing other problems with shield on units, at least in the combat replays - shielded units wouldn't display their shield animation until a unit was destroyed, for some strange reason... still not sure if the shields are being treated as shields, as hitpoints, or both (there IS a blue bar but as I said the shield animations only show up when they shouldn't and the red bar seems kinda elongated too...  )
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December 17th, 2003, 11:56 AM
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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
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Originally posted by parabolize:
correct me if i am wrong but didnt all units turn shields into armor befor 1.78 and after 1.78 they had real shields (i know sats make shield picture when hit).
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No, shields are still part of the structure. Blue bar and shiels effect are just an illustration. I think. At least there was no change mentioned in the patch history.
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December 17th, 2003, 01:22 PM
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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
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Originally posted by Asmala:
How PPB and SD work against fighters/units/drones/weapon platforms? Geoschmo said SD works normally (i.e. depletes shields), but I thought shield points for units are added to their HPs. Is it changed?
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I didn't say they work normally. I simnply posted the history file saying they work normally. 
I have no idea how they work.
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December 20th, 2003, 04:23 AM
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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
Anyone willing to test this? There is a patch in the works, so now would be the time...
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December 20th, 2003, 06:56 AM
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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
I tested the shield depleter in the combat simulator against weapon platforms (Version 1.84): There seems to be no effect.
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December 20th, 2003, 07:20 AM
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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
Same test situation against fighters: shield depleters seem to work.
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December 20th, 2003, 12:03 PM
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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
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Same test situation against fighters: shield depleters seem to work.
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Yep, SD works against fighters. Even if the fighters don't have shields...
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December 20th, 2003, 04:00 PM
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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
I wonder if it is possible to make these special damage type weapons work correctely with units. The way SE IV treats units in damage calculation makes me believe this will be very difficult.
My personal solution to the problem: I allow these weapons only target ships and bases.
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December 20th, 2003, 04:04 PM
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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
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Same test situation against fighters: shield depleters seem to work.
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Yep, SD works against fighters. Even if the fighters don't have shields...
Yeah, but that isn't such a big deal. Unless you have the Talisman, the SD doesn't have much chance of hitting the Fighters. |
December 20th, 2003, 06:38 PM
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Re: Small Shield Depleters = Uber Troop Weapon
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Same test situation against fighters: shield depleters seem to work.
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Yep, SD works against fighters. Even if the fighters don't have shields...
Yeah, but that isn't such a big deal. Unless you have the Talisman, the SD doesn't have much chance of hitting the Fighters.
Er... why not? I have no particular problem hitting fighters with any DF weapon. Sure PD hits more often, but DF hits satisfactorily.
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