another questions thread [gameplay restricted please]

[Kristoffer O]

Originally posted by HJ:
8 - What about the values for standards? I'm guessing that the value is added to the morale when doing morale checks. But also, what is the range of this in terms of the grid?

9 - What is the difference between strong poison and death poison? How are posions calculated in the first place?

8) The value is the area of the effect. Each turn all units in the area regains lost morale.

9) Weak poison: damage value 5, Strong: 15, Death 35. Poison damage is calculated as other damage, 2d6+strength vs 2d6(+no armor allowed). One tenth of this rounded up is dealt to the target each turn.

[josh_f]

9) Could you clarify how the poison damage is applied. If my C'tis slinger rolls an 11(+5) dmg and his opponent rolls a 7 is the damage:

a) .9 for the next ten turns.
b) 9 first round + .9 for the next ten turns.

Also is there a resistance check vs the damage, and is poison damage cumulative i.e. you get hit by 2 slingers?

[Pocus]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:

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Originally posted by HJ:
8 - What about the values for standards? I'm guessing that the value is added to the morale when doing morale checks. But also, what is the range of this in terms of the grid?

9 - What is the difference between strong poison and death poison? How are posions calculated in the first place?

8) The value is the area of the effect. Each turn all units in the area regains lost morale.

9) Weak poison: damage value 5, Strong: 15, Death 35. Poison damage is calculated as other damage, 2d6+strength vs 2d6(+no armor allowed). One tenth of this rounded up is dealt to the target each turn.

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would you care to develop on how morale tests are made? From your answer on standard, you are telling us that units can recover morale?? Up to their maximum morale?

[Kristoffer O]

Originally posted by josh_f:
9) Could you clarify how the poison damage is applied. If my C'tis slinger rolls an 11(+5) dmg and his opponent rolls a 7 is the damage:

a) .9 for the next ten turns.
b) 9 first round + .9 for the next ten turns.

Also is there a resistance check vs the damage, and is poison damage cumulative i.e. you get hit by 2 slingers?

Poison slings automatically poisons anyone in the square, so I'll use an assassin instead.

Your assassin strikes and hits a commander of ulm. The poison dagger deals 3+10(strength)+2d6 damage vs 18(armor)+2d6. Your assassin is lucky and deals five points of dmg. The commander is poisoned.

The poison has a value of 2d6+5(poison strength)-2d6(+no armor). Lets say 9 points. Each turn the poison will cause the commander 1 point of dmg until it has caused 9 points of dmg.

If the poison value was 11 the commander would take 2 points of dmg the first turn and then take 1 each turn until all 11 points were dealt. As the commander was already damaged from the initial strike he will die after 5 turns if the commander had 12 HPs.

[Pocus]

is poison damage cumulative?


if you feel courageous, feel free to elaborate on this morale recovery rule.

[Kristoffer O]

Originally posted by Pocus:
is poison damage cumulative?


if you feel courageous, feel free to elaborate on this morale recovery rule.

Poison is cumulative.

Ugh! I'll try, but this is treacherous grounds. The lands of morale checks is ancient, dark and filled with sink holes. I do not believe there are any scouts left that know what lies hidden in that foreboding marsh.

When a unit is hit, repelled or if a squad-mate dies he is forced to make a morale check. This probably works in the same way as an attack/defence roll. Depending on the failure of the defending morale the unit is subjected to a morale loss of 1-3. This does not (IIRC) affect the actual morale of the unit. The sum of the morale losses are added. Each turn the total morale loss of the squad are compared with the number of units in the squad and the average morale (IIRC) of the squad. In ways I can't remember there are dice added and a resulting rout may occur.

Each turn a standard reduces the morale loss of all units it affects by one.

Sermon of Courage etc also reduces the morale loss of units affected. Not sure if this is limited to one point of morale loss. It might be more.

The sum of these checks are:
A cowardly unit in an otherwise brave squad will get morale losses as his friends die even though his brave friends don't. If he's chicken enough he will most likely cause the squad more harm by being a coward than the squad will gain from having him in the squad.

Larger armies rout less easily. They are also less affected by random chance. Larger armies needs more total morale losses to risk a rout. Thus a squad composed of five wardens might be unlucky if one of them is repelled, while a large squad of LI is unlikely to rout until several of their numbers are dead.

Mindless units might be useful to avoid routs as the rout check is based on average morale (IIRC), but in the case of soulless the sheer number of slain units in the squad might cause the living to rout regardless of the mindless units. The soulless will then dissolve.

Hope this clarifies something. I'm not clear myself (hello Hubbard ) and I'm not likely to become any clearer. I have occasionally grasped the mechanics, but they seem to be elusive theories

[HJ]

Thank you very much for taking the time to write the clarifications! I really appreciate it, and appreciate the game even more when I realise how cool and intricate its mechanisms are.

One question:

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
Mindless units might be useful to avoid routs as the rout check is based on average morale (IIRC), but in the case of soulless the sheer number of slain units in the squad might cause the living to rout regardless of the mindless units. The soulless will then dissolve.

Does this mean that they will dissolve even though there are still undead leaders present? I thought that the mindless units work in the same way as berserkers do: if the rest of the squad routs, they will still hang on a continue to fight on their own. They do not? How about mixing berserkers with regulars then, will their 99 morale help with average morale as well, or is their "normal" morale taken into account in calculations?

[ November 03, 2003, 20:24: Message edited by: HJ ]

[Pocus]

Thank you very much Kristoffer. Many will appreciate the infos which were ungatherable by testbeds!

You comments on old code made me laugh. At work we have exactly the same feeling when we enter 5 years old code portions made by another team

some triggered questions :

i would have though that mindless units were not counted as in the morale average check, from my experience it is better to add ghouls and not mindless in a living squad. I must be wrong.

is fanatism better compared to sermon, or the reverse, when dealing with minimal morale loss? Sometime I see that level 4 priests will prefer sermon other fanatism, so I say to myself that the sermon effect is slightly more potent.

any idea on the radius of standard?

is the formula for rout like this :
morale losses > number of units + average morale, then rout (with dices or not)

can morale loss for a given unit superior to his base morale (milicia have 8 morale, can they have more than 8 penalty), that would create a sinkhole effect indeed, as they would fail often, and then get a big morale loss very detrimental to everybody.

[HJ]

Originally posted by Pocus:
any idea on the radius of standard?

Check out the first Kristoffer's post in this thread.

[Pocus]

Originally posted by HJ:

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Originally posted by Pocus:
any idea on the radius of standard?

Check out the first Kristoffer's post in this thread.

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"the value is his area of effect".

I dont understand the answer.