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		Mindless units crack walls really fast. Lankan soulless are the cheapest wall-breakers. I think, they don't really have a penalty for sieging, because Breaking is always easier than building   
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		*imagines llamabeast pulling his hair at the thousands of birds he's summoned* 
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		 I have seen dozens of players use birds in mp games to siege, so it is not just llamabeast. But I did test them because i was considering using them for the 1st time and i wanted to see what bang i was getting for my buck(not being a trusting guy). 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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When using map edit commands I could not find any logical formula for sieging units verses the defending units. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		What about the poor monkeys? Why doesn't anyone think of the monkeys! 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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One way To help the Monkeys would be to give elephants a siege bonus since they are highly trainable and would likely be good in a siege. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		I always imagined the birds were dropping rocks, not pecking at the walls! 
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		I always imagined the birds were swooping in and pecking the eyes out of the defenders on the walls. Seems logical to me. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Well, 
 
If you guestimate that the animal tag is worth -1.. this means that 20 hawks *.25 = 4. 
 
Plus the greathawk 2.21 = 6.  Round down.  Seems to fit the data point. 
 
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