How can I transform my pretender ? - Page 2

Sombre · #1 January 23rd, 2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

If you REALLY want to then it would be about a 4-line text file to create a little mod to add movement to the Fountain of Blood.

I think just letting the FoB move around without changing anything else would be trickier than you think.

Still easy, but not 4 lines easy.

You can always post the 4 lines and prove me wrong though.

vfb · #2 January 22nd, 2009, 06:23 PM

The intention was that Sphinxes be totally immobile. But Tifone is correct, Stygian Paths works for it. You never know when that's gonna be patched right in the middle of your game, though.

Empower the Blood Fountain in Astral, that's the easiest way (you can make pearls from anything except slaves).

vfb · #3 January 23rd, 2009, 11:38 AM

You can have someone cast Life After Death in a battle, or wield the Ankh, and anything that does should be turned into a soulless, while keeping magic paths. It's got low HP and MR 5 or something, so it's probably not what you're looking for.

Transformation is pretty awful because it can just kill you. I tried it in a luck-3 province, I had the Chalice to heal any feeblemind, and ... death.

NTJedi · #4 January 23rd, 2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vfb

You can have someone cast Life After Death in a battle, or wield the Ankh, and anything that does should be turned into a soulless, while keeping magic paths. It's got low HP and MR 5 or something, so it's probably not what you're looking for.

True, but once turned into a soulless the Transformation spell will work. The Transformation spell is risky, but a pretender can always be called back by priests. Once transformed into another creature the pretender can cast Twiceborn and thus become the desired WightMage.

I wouldn't recommend this scenario unless you feel comfortable winning the game.

vfb · #5 January 23rd, 2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NTJedi

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Originally Posted by vfb

You can have someone cast Life After Death in a battle, or wield the Ankh, and anything that does should be turned into a soulless, while keeping magic paths. It's got low HP and MR 5 or something, so it's probably not what you're looking for.

True, but once turned into a soulless the Transformation spell will work. The Transformation spell is risky, but a pretender can always be called back by priests. Once transformed into another creature the pretender can cast Twiceborn and thus become the desired WightMage.

I wouldn't recommend this scenario unless you feel comfortable winning the game.

Transformation does not work on inanimates and/or undead.

Stavis_L · #6 January 23rd, 2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vfb

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Originally Posted by NTJedi

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Originally Posted by vfb

You can have someone cast Life After Death in a battle, or wield the Ankh, and anything that does should be turned into a soulless, while keeping magic paths. It's got low HP and MR 5 or something, so it's probably not what you're looking for.

True, but once turned into a soulless the Transformation spell will work. The Transformation spell is risky, but a pretender can always be called back by priests. Once transformed into another creature the pretender can cast Twiceborn and thus become the desired WightMage.

I wouldn't recommend this scenario unless you feel comfortable winning the game.

Transformation does not work on inanimates and/or undead.

True. But you could stick the artifact Blood Pebble Armor on it, thus transforming it to a Troll eventually (it's even blood path.) You could then do Transformation or Twiceborn or Life After Death on the Troll form.

Or you could, you know, just not move your inanimate pretender :-)

chrispedersen · #7 January 23rd, 2009, 07:47 PM

Interesting ideas - most of the immortals are inanimate, or undead.
However, hso sien (whatever her name) is immortal for TC - and as I recall she even comes with
nature.

Does the immortal tag survive transformation I wonder?

The Phoenix pretender is also immortal. What happens if the Phoenix casts transform?

I do believe I'm going to try that.

Aezeal · #8 January 23rd, 2009, 01:11 PM

hehe I think Sombre is right.. no way to remove an #immobile tag without doing quite some other line over also

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Also if he doesn't already use a mod (and it's not mentioned I think) he can't even do that.. and if he needs to start a new game anyway then he can just take another chassis.

Gandalf Parker · #9 January 23rd, 2009, 02:54 PM

Hmm let me get back with you on that.

This works with most gods.
#modname "mygod"
#newmonster 2999
#copystats 462
#mapmove 50

It ends up looking like a chinese new years dragon but its a manticore that can move 50. Apparently #mapmove after copying stats isnt enough to knock out #immobile. I will try some other things.

Gandalf Parker · #10 January 23rd, 2009, 05:41 PM

Is shapechange cheating?

#modname "mygod"
#newmonster 2999
#copystats 656
#shapechange 462#

Select the Manticore and you get a fountain of blood that looks like a chinese dragon and can change into a manticore to move.

Of course if you want it to look like a fountain then you need to add #copyspr 656 after the copystats.

In version 3.20 you got one that looked like a red blanket of some sort.

Not sure what it would look like with other versions.