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Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
It’s a bit thin, perhaps the Branch Davidians had a plan too, or perhaps Ruby Ridge was really a renegade think tank. Seriously guys, we war game everyone, and we do papers on almost everything that you can imagine. I would have expected a quote from one of the respectable think tanks that ring the beltway here.
Clinton had no desire to remove Saddam, he was too busy emulating him. 
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March 14th, 2003, 03:13 AM
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March 14th, 2003, 08:43 AM
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Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
It’s a bit thin, perhaps the Branch Davidians had a plan too, or perhaps Ruby Ridge was really a renegade think tank. Seriously guys, we war game everyone, and we do papers on almost everything that you can imagine. I would have expected a quote from one of the respectable think tanks that ring the beltway here.
Clinton had no desire to remove Saddam, he was too busy emulating him.
I think the point of the article was the the current crop of US administrators are the ones who came up with this. Like Wolfy, Rummy and others. So if Wolfy wrote a paper telling of his plans for US world dominiation and then got power and his ideas came to fruition is it just a coincidence?
And as people are still giving the French a hard time I'm going to continue with my Fun with Americans series of mangled quotes 
If the Americans are happy with George W then Clinton was unnecessarily brilliant - Mangled from somewhere yet again.
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(Who does not want to get in a Democrats vs Republican argument because he can't really tell the difference between biege and off white)
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...(Who does not want to get in a Democrats vs Republican argument because he can't really tell the difference between biege and off white)
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In the U.S., we'll go on and on about the VAST differences between Republicans and Democrats. But, as you know, they are pretty much the same compared to the different political parties in France. I think someone said their Communist party has as much chance of winning an election as their Fascist party, etc.
Has anyone else heard that France has a standing policy with terrorists? France won't extradite if the terrorists agree not to blow up stuff in their country.
France and Russia have extremely lucrative oil deals with Iraq, right? But, while it is PC to say that the U.S. only wants to invade Iraq for their oil, it's not PC to say that France and Russia DON'T want us to invade Iraq... because of the oil. Instead, it is simply a matter of the French wanting to throw their weight around.
Someone else suggested that the reason why France and Germany don't want a war with Iraq is because they are pretty much safe from terrorism now that everyone is focusing on the States.
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Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
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Answer: Because the German Army enjoys marching in the shade.
New questions: Of Iraqi imports, what portion come from France?
What is the amount of difference between the amount of French goods sold to Jordan, and the amount shipped to Jordan?
What four items should each French household have incase of a terror attack?
Observations:
As seen on a popular auction; “For sale, French infantry rifle, never fired and only dropped once.”
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And as people are still giving the French a hard time I'm going to continue with my Fun with Americans series of mangled quotes
If the Americans are happy with George W then Clinton was unnecessarily brilliant - Mangled from somewhere yet again.
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(Who does not want to get in a Democrats vs Republican argument because he can't really tell the difference between biege and off white)[/QB]
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Cool, now we razz the guys from down under, but only in fun.
Where is the Australian governments seat of power? The place where people speak and Aussies jump?
Personally I think we should call them Ralians, it’s a better fit with the forum.
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Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
Is it about the oil....partially
But I have a good solution to this so called oil crisis...and the arab control of it.
WPEC Wheat Producing Economic Countries
You want to keep bumping up the price of oil and cut of a vital resource to us...how does $50 a bushel of grain sound to you?
I guess that would be wrong because we are starving your people...same can be said when an economy and lifestyle dependant on oil is charged exburant prices for that oil. What does all that farm equipment run on...sunshine...yeah right.
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The US Airforce began to limit separations of some trained personnel. This is just one more indication that we are in fact going to have a shooting war.
By Staff Sgt.A.J.Bosker
Air Force Print News
03/14/03 - WASHINGTON -- The assistant secretary of the Air Force for manpower and reserve affairs has authorized the use of Stop-Loss to retain specific skills needed to meet national security objectives. Effective May 2, 43 officer and 56 enlisted specialties will be affected by Stop-Loss.
"We do not take this action lightly," said Secretary of the Air Force Dr. James G. Roche. "Stop-Loss is designed to preserve critical skills essential to supporting the global war on terrorism, while ensuring we're prepared to meet other contingencies."
"We've implemented Stop-Loss to ensure we have the necessary skilled personnel to conduct operations," said Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. John P. Jumper. "We'll use it only as long as necessary to accomplish our mission."
Stop-Loss is being implemented across the active duty, Air Force Ready Reserve and Air National Guard for the affected career fields in the ranks of airman through colonel, according to Maj. Teresa L. Forest, chief of Air Force retirements and separation policy at the Pentagon.
Both the secretary and chief of staff are acutely aware that the Air Force is an all-volunteer force and that this action, while essential to meeting the service's worldwide obligations, is inconsistent with the fundamental principles of voluntary service.
"We take Stop-Loss seriously and are working hard to ensure the lives of our airmen, their families and their civilian employers are not disrupted any longer than is necessary to meet our national commitments," Jumper said.
Therefore, a waiver process will be implemented for those people with unique circumstances.
"We are doing our best to minimize this disruption," Roche said. "And we will look at unique circumstances on a case-by-case basis and do all we can to offer appropriate relief."
"We understand the individual sacrifices that our airmen and their families will be making," Jumper said. "We appreciate their unwavering support and dedication to our nation."
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