Are we paying more for less?

[Caduceus]

I'll be curious to see when/if Dominions 3 breaks Dominions 2 sales numbers.

[Annette]

Bloodstar2 said:
It was fun ...
Mario

We're a fun group! That'll be $5.00

[Theonlystd]

Boron said:
Hm i have not yet gotten my copy, so i cannot yet judge about the quality of the manual.
But because there is the option of a digital manual, best case e.g. as word or html document, and the charts etc. sortable as e.g. excel-files i can state my opinion nontheless i think.

I am sure that Bruce did a fantastic manual. But if it would be digital as i said it would be even a bit better imho.

Dom 2 had after a while excellent fanmade digital documentation.
And my personal opinion for any hardcore strategy game is that the manual is only the basics, but most important for the learning process is nontheless discussion and play with other players and guides by veteran players.

So i personally would be happier with a digital manual if i would have to pay less then.

You just stated that you earn less per sold copy of Dom3 than per sold copy of Dom2 because of the additional costs from the manual.
But imho those 55$ are really a bit too much above the magical 50$/50€ border, so i oracle that Dom3 will bring you less profit than Dom2.

If you had offered 2 versions of Dom3 for purchase though i think every customer would have been content:
First version with a digital manual for e.g. 45$ and the second version as you offer it now with the printed in high quality manual for 60$ for those people who prefer to have a physical manual.

That is just my subjective opinion though and i hope that Dom3 sells better than Dom2 because imho both of you, Illwinter and Shrapnel, deserve success with Dom3 .

Aye i dont much care for manuals.. I can read a pdf as well as paper. I would of most definalty taken the cheaper version.

Now one of my friends i recently told about. Was over joyed at a spiral binded 300 page manual and plans on ordering soon.

2 versions would of been spiffy if the manual is what was costing so much.

[alexti]

DragonFire11 said:
I think major publishers make a mistake discounting their titles. I seldom purchase a new title because I know if I just wait a few months I'll get a steep reduction.

That situation is really weird. If you wait you're getting:
1) cheaper price;
2) better quality (the game is patched [to some extent] by that time);
3) lower platform cost (by that time, the hardware required to run that game decently cost cheaper).
These makes buying major titles right away impractical. I'm sure I'm not the first who noticed it and publishers certainly aware of it. So they probably just follow the plan of intentionally pricing the game higher on release. Probably they consider something like 20$ a good fair price for their product, but set it much higher initially to get money from people who *must* have it the day it's out.

[Talleyrand]

Can we get this thread locked now? I appreciate the official response and knowing now that the higher cost was due to the manual and not an attempted fleecing of a loyal playerbase. Every possible avenue has been explored in this thread already and I think it's time to move on to other topics. Thanks again.

[Frostmourne27]

I see no reason to lock it. It WAS getting a bit confrontational, but I think that has died down. There is probably very little to say, but somebody might come along with a good point or two. That said, no one should feel obliged to post here. We won't think less of you if you skip this thread, but some of us fanatics might want to chew on old soup a little more.

[atul]

Boron said:
But imho those 55$ are really a bit too much above the magical 50$/50€ border,

And here's the funny bit. Thanks to the exchange rate, the current price of Dom3 + shipping amounts quite nicely to 50 euros. My visa bill for the pre-ordered game was below 50€, but the price for the one I ordered just last week will probably be quite near the magic number. Most of the new games in Finland cost in 50-70€ range, and this gets delivered home.

So, in addition of getting paid more wages (on average) you USians apparently pay less for your goods if $55 is something to complain. Silly people.

Here's hoping Shrapnel and Illwinter get what they deserve out of Dom3 sales (i.e. only positive stuff).

[Cainehill]

Bloodstar2 said:
Sorry, I am not being uncivil, rude more than others. If you had showed some frendly behaviour I woould be also friendly. Why would my opinion stirr such outburst? Do you need machine guns to help you out against me... Jesus Christ, nobody will be harmed in this process of little criticism.

Excuse me, mister "friendly" - you're the one who popped up and posted, with no provocation, "Well, I knew that you are biased and not very bright, but you tend to be a liar as well." Now, I could understand if you'd been posting that about _me_ since I tend to sometimes be obnoxious enough to draw such commentary, but you didn't post it to me.

So, surprisingly enough, people think you're rude, uncivil, uncouth, or worse. And it has nothing to do with your use of the English language, or your opinion about the game or its pricing.

And mind you as I bought the game I have perfectly legal right to say what I don't like here in this case.

No, you don't have _any_ "legal" right to post here. Posting here is a privilege (albeit sometimes a dubious one) - if you don't behave, you run the risk of being banned from what is essentially a private forum, run by a commercial company. No "legal right" here at all.

... I know that I will be banned because I can see that tolerance here is also very low. But, if I get banned that will not be just my blame. And you will be happy I think.

I for one will be delighted.

[Kristoffer O]

> Now, I could understand if you'd been posting that about _me_ since I tend to sometimes be obnoxious enough to draw such commentary, but you didn't post it to me.

Lol

But still Cainehill, the discussion is supposed to be back on track and not personal anymore.

[Bloodstar2]

Kristoffer O said:
> Now, I could understand if you'd been posting that about _me_ since I tend to sometimes be obnoxious enough to draw such commentary, but you didn't post it to me.

Lol

But still Cainehill, the discussion is supposed to be back on track and not personal anymore.

That's why I will not even answer to this Deda Pantelija/Van Gogh person. But, I will gladly give him knife if he wants to tear his ear out haha lol


Mario