My immortal phoenix died of a disease??

[mivayan]

Hellboy said:
I'm about 99% sure that there is a bug out there that would explain the OP's (rather bald) statement, and perhaps Graeme's post as well. I'm not sure if this is a known bug (but I haven't seen it on the bug list), but here's how I think year end disease processing works:

In the month which new afflictions are checked for and added, there are two months worth of disease degeneration that occurs. So, for example, if you're using fever fetishes on a scout (one of the easier ways to test this), and your at month 12 with 2 hps, as you roll over to month 1, your scout will be dead.

Moreover, if you have a scout with 1hp at month 12, he will die w/ no announcement. This is the category which I think might explain the immortal dying due to disease. I suspect the first of the two disease processing steps is incomplete, and if an immortal is processed in this way, the reincarnation step is skipped (just as the death announcement step is skipped with my scouts).

Late winter!! You might be on to something here.

I posted a savegame here with this bug, in october.

My phoenix died in friendly dominion, battle report said no commander died, as normal. Same turn, a message that my Phoenix died of a disease, but there was *no province name* for where he died. Hall of fame shows a disease, but there was none in the battle, so apparantly he got it during the killing blow. This was in Late Winter, sounds like a bug in the old age mechanic.

[Edi]

Mivayan, please give me the post number. Search based links tend to get seriously screwed up if people have different posts per page settings in their profile, because the profile settings and the link settings don't mesh and it gets all screwy.

This looks like it's certainly going to get re-entered into the shortlist, but I want all the links so the entry will be as good as possible. This is one of the more complex bugs I've seen so far.

[PvK]

Xietor said:
A bit OT,

I have always thought curses, afflictions, and horror marks should be gone when a god dies and is called back. If your body is destroyed and remade, how can it still have afflictions? I can theorize that curses and horror marks affect the spirit or soul, and survive the rebirth?

Anyway, I think the loss of items and loss of magical strength is a sufficient penalty for a pretender biting the bullet.

How? Er, during the magical process of the body being re-created, which is a miracle in itself, apparently the new body is based on the old body to some degree, and the process can recreate some problems with the old body. What that process actually involves in the metaphysics of the immaginary universe, isn't spelled out, so it's up to the developers and their code to determine. Seems to me it can "make sense" either way, or could make sense many other ways, given the info we have and don't have.

From a balance and interest perspective, though, some pretenders don't need items or magic to be very potent, and currently with enough priests, they can be (immortal or) called back very quickly, meaning there isn't much risk or cost or countermeasure. You manage to kill the Wyrm, but you have to fight it again very soon, etc., so your accomplishment means little, especially if it isn't afflicted in any way. In fact, it probably has more experience now. Removing all afflictions would remove some balance, risk, detail and interest from the gameplay, it seems to me.

[mivayan]

Edi said:
Mivayan, please give me the post number. Search based links tend to get seriously screwed up if people have different posts per page settings in their profile, because the profile settings and the link settings don't mesh and it gets all screwy.

It's #457985, I think. Is this the right way to link to it?

[Edi]

Thanks. When linking to specific single posts somewhere, this is the best way to do it. Click on the "Re: <whatever>" after the post title, then substitute the post number and remove everything after that, it'll get you the cleanest link.

[vfb]

I was very surprised when I recently completed Call God to find that two of my pretender's afflictions had disappeared. He had four when he died. He is not immortal, and does not have recuperation (he's a Cyclops).

[MaxWilson]

Yes, you always have some chance to heal afflictions when coming back from death.

-Max

[Cooron]

Couple of nights ago my Phoenix died a turn after he resurrected from the previous "death". When he resurrected i just loaded him up with gems and send him off again. Next turn i got a message that he had died from a poison in *blank*. Now hes permanently dead and my priests are calling him back :/

All this in a friendly province & dominion.

[mivayan]

Cooron said:
Couple of nights ago my Phoenix died a turn after he resurrected from the previous "death". When he resurrected i just loaded him up with gems and send him off again. Next turn i got a message that he had died from a poison in *blank*. Now hes permanently dead and my priests are calling him back :/

All this in a friendly province & dominion.

Was it Late Winter the turn he died in *blank*?

[Cooron]

Cant recall for sure :/