Troubling Times: Game over, Marverni wins

[Zeldor]

I may have some scouts coverage holes, but that is really some poor propaganda

Every person with at least some intel and basic math abilities can locate game leaders. And Fomoria does not belong there.

It's obvious that on top we have Ermor [biggest nation in the game, best location], Marverni [MOST of artifacts, including the most powerful ones like forge hammer, chalice, sceptre], great national mages and good diversification already. I'd say Helheim would be 3rd position, but his premature attack counts as a resignation from that spot.

It's obvious for everyone that Helheim is only helping Marverni and Ermor. He knows he cannot win the war - it's also not certain if he can lose it. So the right question is - why is he helping 2 other powers? It's after all Helheim that attacked Fomoria, not the other way around.

So maybe we should start checking who has most provinces? Who has best research? Most gem income? And above all - who has most VPs? But I doubt those are answers that would make Ermor happy

Couldn't care less if you think its propaganda or not...

I would gladly extend my NAP3s to NAP5s (or more) with my neighbors and make peace with Atlantis if he would only stop helping Formoria win.

Sure, lets "check" who has the most gem income, who has the best research, and all that jazz...oh wait...we CAN't check...you're right Zeldor, I'm not happy with that answer at all

You know what we can check? Who has cast and currently has the most globals...sure, globals aren't everything, but they are a darn good indicator of power.

[Executor]

The word on the street around here is that Abysia is stocking up like Hitler to take over the world and is in fact the real master mind, the puppet master, Fomoria, Helheim and Marverni are just his pawns in his diabolic plan to set the world on fire!

[Amhazair]

Originally Posted by Executor

The word on the street around here is that Abysia is stocking up like Hitler to take over the world and is in fact the real master mind, the puppet master, Fomoria, Helheim and Marverni are just his pawns in his diabolic plan to set the world on fire!

This is probably true. Just last turn he managed to wheedle no less than 25 gems out of me in trade for just some simbolic payment in other - obviously far inferior for the purposes of setting the world on fire - gem types.

I also think someone who shall remain anonymous - let's call him Xeldor for ease of reference - should restart his theorycrafting about who has or hasn't which artifacts, 'cause his wild guess is wildly off the mark. (And he quite obviously hasn't seen me holding any of those.) At the same time I am certain that this same certain player has, at the very least, the Aegis and Armor of Virtue in his possesion. And while they might not be the most game-changing, they're certainly very useful. And that is actual information and no theorycrafting.

And - although I'm not quite certain about the eastern borders of Fomoria, and the accompanying statements about his globals are obviously true - I do believe that some nation loosely besed on ancient Rome currently holds roughly twice the territory of the Fomoria he accuses of running away with the game.

I also think I will try to improve my scouting coverage so I won't have to try to sift through some of the wild claims in this thread to try and guess who's dangerous and who isn't.

[Herode]

Originally Posted by Amhazair

And - although I'm not quite certain about the eastern borders of Fomoria [snip]

Well, I can give you some information on this point, my boy. Let's say it in a few words : Fomoria managed through hard and efficient diplomacy to gather two more nations against his eastern neighbourg, some nation based on ancient Greece.

What has been is very fun in this war is that Zeldor also managed to keep for his own realm 100% of the benefit of this war, I mean the capitol of Arcoscephale and 90% of his lands. Neither Ctis nor Niefelheim gained a single province so far. Not that they did not try hard, but some ill fate led them to loose time and troops on other wars they did not expect while Fomoria silently swarmed the lands of Arcoscephale. Now, that's what I call subtle Diplomacy, and I humbly bow behind this emphasized D

That's to say that I am of course a bit surprised to see Fomoria eliminating himself of the major powers list. OTOH, nobody can ignore that the Cursed ones are also leading the run with globals and research, not to mention the astonishing density of castles in the lands they control.

As a side note, any help (gems, gold, troops) will be welcome for those willing to help Arco to resist to the Infamous Ones. We are few, but we are fierce. And we have whisky. Hence, we shall not surrender. This is Arrcooooooooooooooo !

[Amhazair]

Originally Posted by Herode

Well, I can give you some information on this point, my boy. [blah, blah, blah]

Now that really is a touching story, it almost brought tears to my eyes.

But it really doens't give any information at all about Fomoria's easternmost borders, now does it?

[Herode]

Really ? Well... just push your scouts here, and you will learn... nothing more

[Amhazair]

And all those posts before even looking at my turn. Damn, I'm a busy man.

[Zeldor]

Crap, you are actually trying to do some good diplo and propaganda :P Of course with graphs off some statements which are not always 100% true can happen here.

Amhazair is totally right - Fomoria is far smaller than Ermor. As is every otehr nation in the game probably. And no other nation has so great position. I have at least 2x more neighbours, none of them noobs whose provs and VPs I could count as mine.

It's up to discussion how strong Marverni is. My intel may be wrong, but he is certainly major power.

We should count Ermor's accusations against Fomoria only as a way to distract world's attention from the obvious fact that Ermor is the strongest one with the best position. And now attacking weaker nation that is no match for him. All that while Helheim makes unreasonable attack against Fomoria.

So, if Ermor is really really so worried about poor Helheim being destroyed, then tell him to sign peace. But oh, that would not be in your interest, right? You prefer him to die, as long as he serves his purpose of making your enemies weaker. You'd love Marverni to join in it too and suffer huge casualties, right?

[PriestyMan]

Well we defintely have a large concentration of BS slingers in this game don't we? :P

from my lakeside pond i would definitely put ermor firmly in first place, marverni in second, and third place handing in the balance between hel and formoria. As for atlantis, oceania set me back further than i wanted to be, so i am sitting at 4th in my humble opinion.




One more note: ghoul's streak continues..............