[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.

[Thermodyne]

Whoops forgot to say that we are at w-0:08:10 and counting

[Fyron]

Well Fyron would you be willing to die. Or would you want someone you know to die to displace Saddam. It's easy to dismiss "a few thousand deaths" as long as it's not you or someone you know.

You missed the point. Deaths have already been happening in Iraq because of Saddam. Many, many deaths. More will undoubtedly happen because of him. A short period of war and a few deaths in it will stop the madness of Saddam's rule. Many lives will be saved.

I don't want anyone to die. But, people have been dying already. Stopping the mass-murders is worth a few lives.

[ March 20, 2003, 00:53: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Thermodyne]

I think we know the players on the Allied side, so here is the home teams line up.

Baath Party Regional Command / Revolution Command Council
Chairman Husayn, SADDAM

Vice-Chairman Ezzet [Izzat] Ibrahim
Member Lieut. Gen. Ali Hasan Al-Majeed

Member Mezban Khider Hadi
Member Aziz Salih Numan

Member
Member
Member
Member
Member
Member
Member [until May 2001] Zubaydi Muhammad Hamza al-

Supervisor of Republican Guard Qusay Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti

State
President Husayn, SADDAM

Vice President Maruf, Taha Muhyi al-Din
Vice President Ramadan, Taha Yasin
Adviser to the Pres. Azzawi, Hatim Hamdan al-
Adviser to the Pres. Habubi, Safa Hadi Jawad, Dr.
Adviser to the Pres. Qasir, Nizar Jumah Ali al-
Adviser to the Pres. Tikriti, Barzan Ibrahim Hasan al-

Adviser to the Pres. Tikriti, Watban Ibrahim al-Hasan al-
Adviser to the Pres. for Military Affairs Jabburi, Sadi Tuma Abbas al-
Government
Prime Minister Husayn, SADDAM

Deputy Prime Minister Aziz, Tariq Mikhail

Deputy Prime Minister Azzawi, Hikmat Mizban Ibrahim al-
Deputy Prime Minister Khudayir, Ahmad Husayn al-
Deputy Prime Minister Huwaysh, Abd al-Tawab Mullah al-

Deputy Prime Minister [until May 2001] Zubaydi Muhammad Hamza al-

Min. of Agriculture Salih, Abd al-Ilah Hamid Mahmud al-
Min. of Awqaf & Religious Affairs Salih, Abd al-Munim Ahmad
Min. of Culture Hammadi, Hamid Yusuf
Min. of Defense Jabburi Tai, Sultan Hashim Ahmad al-, Lt. Gen.
Min. of Education Shaqrah, Fahd Salim
Min. of Finance Azzawi, Hikmat Mizban Ibrahim al-
Min. of Foreign Affairs Hadithi, Naji Sabri Ahmad al-

Min. of Health Mubarak, Umid Midhat
Min. of Higher Education & Scientific Research Abd al-Ghafur, Humam Abd al-Khaliq, Dr.
Min. of Housing & Reconstruction Sarsam, Maan Abdallah al-
Min. of Industry & Minerals Shalah, Muyassar Raja
Min. of Information Sahhaf, Muhammad Said Kazim al-
Min. of Interior Ahmad, Mahmud Dhiyab al-
Min. of Irrigation Swadi, Rasul Abd al-Husayn al-
Min. of Justice Shawi, Mundhir Ibrahim al-
Min. of Labor & Social Affairs Naqshabandi, Mundhir Mudhafar Muhammad Asad al-
Min. of Military Industrialization Huwaysh, Abd al-Tawab Mullah al-

Min. of Oil Ubaydi, Amir Rashid Muhammad al-
Min. of Planning
Min. of Trade Salih, Muhammad Mahdi al-
Min. of Transport & Communications Khalil, Ahmad Murtada Ahmad, Dr.
Min. of Youth [unofficial] Uday Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti

Min. of State Zibari, Arshad Muhammad Ahmad Muhammad al-
Min. of State for Military Affairs Shanshal, Abd al-Jabbar Khalil, Staff Gen.
Other Leadership
Governor, Central Bank Huwaysh, Isam Rashid al-
Head of Interests Section in the US Duri, Akram Jasim al-
Permanent Representative to the UN, New York Duri, Muhammad Abdallah Ahmad Shati

[Atrocities]

Change of pace

Looks like there may be some in the EU who arn't all that chummy.

OMG The CIA did it!

[mac5732]

it has started

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/bombsaddam.shtml

[ March 20, 2003, 04:14: Message edited by: mac5732 ]

[Fyron]

I hope the 40+ cruise missile strike happened to hit Saddam, so we can end the war quickly.

Edit:
Looks like they didn't. Oh well.

[ March 20, 2003, 04:49: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[dogscoff]

There's an almost-subtle but funny war-dig on today's diesel sweeties.

[tesco samoa]

the gulf war two drinking game

drink when:

bush is called a crusader
x2 if its by saddam
saddam is called evil
x2 if its by bush
iraq troops surrender to the media
x2 if to a unmanned vehicle or inanimate object
iraq uses weapons it claims not to have
the united states uses weapons it won't allow iraq to have
a member of the media gets shot at
a toast to the shooter if its ashleigh banfield(msnbc), geraldo riviera(fox) or arron brown(cnn)
saddam uses a scud he doesnt have
x2 if its towards Israel
the united states terrorist threat level changes
the united states government tries to link iraq to 9-11
france goes pro US invasion
germany takes the side of the united states in a global war
Dominique de Villepin reminds you of that annoying rich kid in high school
someone implies tony blair is bush's *****
someone implies scott ritter is Saddam's *****
anybody 'warns' anybody
the word "escalation" is used
iraq and the united states are shown seated next to each other in the united nations
an American is shot down over iraq
x2 if an iraqi makes in into an aircraft
an American is shot,
x2 if its by an enemy
the media compares the war to blackhawk down
x2 if its because a blackhawk really goes down
a puppet government is installed in iraq
x2 if its by the puppet government installed in the US
saddam uses the word 'Zionist'
x2 if its bin laden
you change your opinion on the war
the media shows iraqi children in a hospital because of international sanctions
x2 if its because of american military action
finish your drink if saddam actually put them there, but claimed it was the united states
iraq promises full and complete cooporation with inspectors
Iraqi civilians greet Americans with cheers
x2 if its with bullets
the saudis do something the united states accuses iraq of doing
north korea does something the united states accused iraq of doing
x2 if they don't get away with it
al-jazeera is referred to as the "arab cnn"
finish your drink if cnn is referred to as the "american al-jazeera"
the conflict is compared to the vietnam war
x2 if the word "quagmire" is used
saddam goes missing
finish your drink if he is confimed killed
the pope is said to "pray for peace"
bush mispronounces the word 'nuclear'
finish your drink if its referring to a bomb that has gone off
richard armitage's neck shows up
if you can't find kuwait, bahrain, qatar, oman, or the united arab emirates on a map
x2 if you even own a map of the region
finish your drink if you can pronounce them all correctly
any of the following commentators are on tv:
x1 ken pollack, khidhir hamza, general wesley clark, col david hackworth, general bernard trainor, david kay, richard butler, thomas friedman, scott ritter, thomas andrews, anybody running for United States President
x2 general norman schwarzkopf, general walt boomer, general buster glosson, brent scowcroft, james baker, richard perle, william kristol, james woolsey, henry kissinger
x3 any former united states president
an actor or actress expresses an opinion on the war
x2 if this is the first time you've seen them in a year
an american reminds the french of world war one and two
x2 if a frenchman reminds the americans of the revolutionary war
saddam torches the oil fields
someone reports from "the arab street"
colin powell looks exasperated sitting at the u.n. security council
x2 if its because a country you didnt know exists is commenting on the war
anyone in the bush administration says "make no mistake"
the american military are told what to do by someone with no military experience
x2 if they dodged the vietnam draft
x3 if they dodged the vietnam draft, are an ex-governer of a southern us state, and ever held or holds the title of 'commander-in-chief'
tariq azziz's glasses get larger
somebody says saddam "tortures his own people"
you momentarly confuse george roberston with shrek
an arab country staging american troops speaks against the war
an arrow anti-missle missle is fired
x2 if it intercepts something
tom ridge laughs while discussing potential terrorists attacks
God picks a side
finish your drink if its not yours
somebody implies a blood for oil trade may be in progress
x2 if that person owns a S.U.V.
a protest sign attacks Bush directly
x2 if it attacks saddam directly
The united states bombs anything in iraq before the fighting 'offically' starts
x2 if iraq tries the same thing
Saddam is compared to Hitler
x2 if bush is compared to Hitler
someone compares the size of iraq to california or france
The media refers to itself as 'embedded'
someone says "shock and awe"
The words "Weapon(s) of Mass Destruction" are used
x2 if its shortned to "WMD"
A US Official uses the word "liberate"
Bush says "innocent civilians"
Bush quotes scripture
x2 saddam quotes the koran
Somebody says "between Iraq and a hard place"
A videophone craps out
x2 the anchor apologizes for it
Someone on TV says something contradictory to what is on their news ticker
A news correspondent asks if they can still be heard
x2 if they say "Can you hear me now?"
Any political or military leader refers to Australia

[dogscoff]

Tesco, that's about the most sensible thing I've heard in a long time. I'm going to get drunk and stay there. Someone pour a bucket of water over me when all the liars, warmongers and bastards have choked on their own poisonous words.

[ March 20, 2003, 15:15: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

[thorfrog]

Combat has begun on the ground.