[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.

[jimbob]

Tesco:
check private message.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by tbontob:
As much as I dislike censorship, I have to agree which Geoschmo.

A link would still allow full expression while preserving the sensibilities of the people who may not like being subjugated to extraneous stuff without their consent.

I hope no one views what I did as censorship. I left the link to the photo. Anyone that wishes to see it can click on it.

Geoschmo

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Geoschmo. It would appear that the word "censorship" has a somewhat negative press.

A lot of people interpret it as being bad.

I was using it in its broadest sense...where anyone limits or restricts an act or verbal expression of another, however small.

The picture may be appropriate at a gun forum, but not at this site.

I had no intent and certainly no desire to give the impression you were somehow wrong in what you did.

I applaud your actions.

[Phoenix-D]

"The original Gulf War resolutions explicitly said that Iraq was to be driven out of Kuwait and that the object was NOT to over-throw the Iraqi government. Yet the US is claiming these resolutions, and the newer 1441 which deals only with 'weapons of mass destruction', as authority to force 'regime change' in Iraq."

Those would be the same resolutions putting the sanctions in effect? The way I see it, he agreed to a cease-fire with certain terms. If he violates those terms, the cease-fire is no longer in effect.

Phoenix-D

[DavidG]

Originally posted by dogscoff:
I hear the US is complaining about Iraq's treatment of prisoners of war. How can they demand that Saddam respect the Geneva Convetnion when they won't even do it themselves?

Link-> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0111-07.htm

I think there is a world of difference between restricting prisoners access to a lawyer and taking then into a room, shooting them in the head and then showing the pictures on national TV.

[MegaTrain]

To those who still hold to the position "No WAR for OIL" or "Stop Bombing the Iraqi people",

I urge you to consider the following article carefully:
Link: I was a naive fool to be a human shield for Saddam
A powerful first-person report of the true condition of the population of Iraq, and the opinion of its people.

[Mephisto]

[quote]Originally posted by DavidG:

I think there is a world of difference between restricting prisoners access to a lawyer and taking then into a room, shooting them in the head and then showing the pictures on national TV.

It is still unconfirmed that any POW were shoot. The video does not suggest that they were shoot in the room itself. Until there is more reliable info we should be careful with our judgement.

[DavidG]

[quote]Originally posted by Mephisto:

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Originally posted by DavidG:

I think there is a world of difference between restricting prisoners access to a lawyer and taking then into a room, shooting them in the head and then showing the pictures on national TV.

It is still unconfirmed that any POW were shoot. The video does not suggest that they were shoot in the room itself. Until there is more reliable info we should be careful with our judgement.

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Well maybe we saw different pictures but a bullet wound dead centre in the forehead and and a soldier lying on the floor in a pool of blood is highly suggestive of an execution to me.

[Suicide Junkie]

Are there any stats for the number of deaths occuring in Iraq before, compared to now?

[Andrés]

Why do you insist that anyone that doesn't support this war is pro-Saddam?

I've found many similarities between Saddam's regime and the military dictatorship we had here in Argentina not so long ago. So I think I have an idea of how Iraqis feel.

Yes most Iraqis are against Saddam and would like to change the regime.
But they don't want to be bombed and invaded either.
Now not only they fear Saddam but also fear Americans.
When you have to choose between a foreign potency that is bombing and invading your cities and a local dictator backed up by local propaganda many will help to repel the invaders.

The US doesn't care about human rights, and as some have posted before Americans have done very little to support democracies around the world. Links to 9-11 are vague and inconsistent.
This war is about oil, about consolidating a new pro-American world order, about American economy, about the strong threatening the weak.

BTW the so feared WMD haven't been found yet what strongly suggest they never existed.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Andr&eacutes Lescano:
BTW the so feared WMD haven't been found yet what strongly suggest they never existed.

Actually this suggests nothing of the sort. The Iraqi's would be expected to have any such faciliites close to Bagdad in areas that are still very much hostile at the moment. The coalition forces are a little busy at the moment to be going around rounding up the WMD. There will be time for that later.

Not to mention the jury is still very much out on the chemical plant that was found outside of Najaf. That plant is just a little too unusual to be brushed aside. Latest press reports are that "nothing has been found", but what the coalition is really saying is "we aren't saying we found anything". That is a big difference that may be lost on the press. We've only been at the plant for a little over 24 hours. Not really had time to bring in the experts and the detailed equipment. There are a lot of questions that need answered about the facility.

It's very likely that if we did find anything there or anywhere else at this point we would not be trumpeting the fact loudly. The biggest deterant to Sadaam (assuming he's still around) using the WMD's is that it would remove any sort of world opinion from his side. If nothing else he is a survivor and he is counting on that opinion to somehow bring a halt to the war before it's too late for him. If we broadcast the exsistance of a smoking gun at this point he loses what little credibility he has remaining, and most of his incentive not to order their use.

On the other hand, we don't particularly need the world opinion to radically shift to continue the war so we don't really have a strong incentive to expose any evidence this early.

Geoschmo